[BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group

[Chris Jones]

That is interesting.  The LEED Gold project I simulated required some 
modifications (from the LEED reviewer) that could not be done with HAP, 
etc.  Only a 3D capable program could do what I was required to do using 
DOE2.1e.  I could have done the same with DOE2.2.

I stand corrected on ASHRAE 90.1 - From Section 11.2.1: "(a program such 
as, but not limited to, DOE-2 or BLAST)".

I am glad to find such an informed email list.


>Eric is absolutely correct! DOE2 is not required nor is it the only 
>available software that meets data submission requirements. ASHRAE and the 
>U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) do not officially sanction or certify 
>software programs. As for LEEDS, the USGBC only determines the 
>acceptability of data for LEED project submissions. Other commercially 
>available software programs such as Carrier Corporation's HAP meet all 
>data acceptability requirements of LEEDS and the ECB method from ASHRAE 
>90.1-2001.
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>Regards,
>
>Craig J. Gann, P.E.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:christensen at econergy.net>Eric Christensen
>To: <mailto:BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM>BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
>Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:02 PM
>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
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>I am not a definitive authority, but I do not believe that ASHRAE 90.1 or 
>LEED requires DOE-2.1e exclusively.  Section 11.2.1 of 90.1-1999 & 2001 
>requires "a program such as, but not limited to, DOE-2 or BLAST."  It then 
>outlines required capabilities of the simulation program.  eQUEST is DOE-2 
>based, so I believe that it is acceptable for 90.1 compliance and LEED scoring.
>
>Eric Christensen
>Econergy International Corporation
>3825 Iris Avenue, Suite 350
>Boulder, CO  80301
>Phone: (303) 473-9007
>Fax:   (303) 473-9060
>E-mail: christensen at econergy.net
>Website: www.econergy.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:22 PM
>To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
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>We use DOE2.1e in our shop.  Primarily because of the significant 
>verification against measured data that has been done on DOE2.1e over the 
>years.  The other reason is that ASHRAE 90.1 and in particular LEED 
>require simulation using DOE2.1e.
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>Here in Canada, the Model National Energy Code, Performance Option 
>required simulation using EE4 (a free compliance tool http://www.ee4.com ) 
>that used the DOE2.1e engine from Hirsh and Associates.  Similar to 
>eQuest, you can use EE4 to quickly generate an input file then edit it for 
>you particular situation.
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>>We use eQuest extensively, sometimes using the wizard mode to get 
>>started, sometimes not. We began using DOE2.1d when it was first 
>>available on PC platforms and kept with it through PowerDOE and the 
>>`never officially released DOE2.2. We often use eQuest to create BDL code 
>>which we then edit with a text editor.  I must admit I m sometimes 
>>surprised to hear of modelers (often in Academic situations) still 
>>working with 2.1e when `2.2 is a significant improvement and is 
>>absolutely free via eQuest.
>>I, like John, am holding off on EnergyPlus until I can justify the 
>>tremendous expense of training my people on a new product that is still 
>>not ready for prime time. Eventually, I hope, but not yet. I m guessing 
>>five years before there is a product that is enough better than eQuest to 
>>justify the investment. (And that s assuming eQuest doesn t continue to 
>>improve).
>>I imagine that there are numerous eQuest users that are not aware of the 
>>BLDG-SIM forum. Too bad it would be nice to see more interaction around 
>>the eQuest program.  Perhaps SCE/EDR could provide an information blurb 
>>about this forum on their web site or to everyone who down loads eQuest.
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>>Mark E. Case, P.E.
>>etc Group, Inc.
>>Salt Lake City, Utah
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike Roberts
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:03 PM
>>To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
>>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
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>>John,
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>>There are at least a few of us out here using eQUEST/DOE-2.2 on a regular 
>>basis.  I started using DOE-2.1 back when it was Cal-ERDA 1.3 (about 
>>1979) and have followed the Hirsch upgrades through PowerDOE and 
>>eQUEST.  I have only seen a Beta version of eQUEST 3.0, but it looks very 
>>interesting.
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>>My specialty is energy simulation and I use eQUEST and the "Detailed Data 
>>Edit" Mode on almost all of our energy simulation jobs.  JJ Hirsch and 
>>Associates are looking for ways to offer more support, but probably at a 
>>price.  I can offer some support, free if it is trivial (to me) or at my 
>>regular rates if it is more involved.  Our web site is 
>><http://www.roberts-engineering.com/>http://www.roberts-engineering.com/. 
>>  Hopefully, you will find some useful information there.
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>>I think the User Group is a good idea, though you already have a 
>>discussion forum through 
>><mailto:BLDG-SIM at gard.com>BLDG-SIM at gard.com.  Let me know how much 
>>interest you get.
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>>Mike
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Aulbach, John
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:43 AM
>>To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
>>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
>>May I ask how many people are attempting to use eQuest/DOE-2.2? I would 
>>like to form a User Group for exchanging questions and war stories, as 
>>the creators of the program do not apparently have funding for very much 
>>support (Sad).
>>I have taken Marlin Addison's a few times, with the last version I have 
>>(3.0) FINALLY beginning to make sense. I have used DOE-2.1 since 1984 and 
>>have some small familiarity with the intent, switches, and boundaries of 
>>the program. Until a decent front end come along for EnergyPlus, this is 
>>the way I am going.
>>There claims to be over 7,000 downloads of the program. Anyone getting 
>>into the "world past the Wizards" yet?
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>>John R. Aulbach, PE, CEM
>>Project Engineer
>>Sempra Energy Solutions
>>555 West Fifth Street
>>Mail Location 27F3
>>Los Angeles, CA 90013
>>Tel: (213) 244-8551 Cell (213) 219-4875
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