[BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group

[Craig Gann]

Eric is absolutely correct! DOE2 is not required nor is it the only available software that meets data submission requirements. ASHRAE and the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) do not officially sanction or certify software programs. As for LEEDS, the USGBC only determines the acceptability of data for LEED project submissions. Other commercially available software programs such as Carrier Corporation's HAP meet all data acceptability requirements of LEEDS and the ECB method from ASHRAE 90.1-2001.

Regards,

Craig J. Gann, P.E.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Christensen 
  To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:02 PM
  Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group


  I am not a definitive authority, but I do not believe that ASHRAE 90.1 or LEED requires DOE-2.1e exclusively.  Section 11.2.1 of 90.1-1999 & 2001 requires "a program such as, but not limited to, DOE-2 or BLAST."  It then outlines required capabilities of the simulation program.  eQUEST is DOE-2 based, so I believe that it is acceptable for 90.1 compliance and LEED scoring.
  Eric Christensen
  Econergy International Corporation
  3825 Iris Avenue, Suite 350
  Boulder, CO  80301
  Phone: (303) 473-9007
  Fax:   (303) 473-9060
  E-mail: christensen at econergy.net
  Website: www.econergy.net 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:22 PM
  To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
  Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group


  We use DOE2.1e in our shop.  Primarily because of the significant verification against measured data that has been done on DOE2.1e over the years.  The other reason is that ASHRAE 90.1 and in particular LEED require simulation using DOE2.1e.  

  Here in Canada, the Model National Energy Code, Performance Option required simulation using EE4 (a free compliance tool http://www.ee4.com ) that used the DOE2.1e engine from Hirsh and Associates.  Similar to eQuest, you can use EE4 to quickly generate an input file then edit it for you particular situation.






    We use eQuest extensively, sometimes using the wizard mode to get started, sometimes not. We began using DOE2.1d when it was first available on PC platforms and kept with it through PowerDOE and the `never officially released DOE2.2. We often use eQuest to create BDL code which we then edit with a text editor.  I must admit I m sometimes surprised to hear of modelers (often in Academic situations) still working with 2.1e when `2.2 is a significant improvement and is absolutely free via eQuest. 

    I, like John, am holding off on EnergyPlus until I can justify the tremendous expense of training my people on a new product that is still not ready for prime time. Eventually, I hope, but not yet. I m guessing five years before there is a product that is enough better than eQuest to justify the investment. (And that s assuming eQuest doesn t continue to improve). 

    I imagine that there are numerous eQuest users that are not aware of the BLDG-SIM forum. Too bad it would be nice to see more interaction around the eQuest program.  Perhaps SCE/EDR could provide an information blurb about this forum on their web site or to everyone who down loads eQuest.

     

     

    Mark E. Case, P.E.

    etc Group, Inc.

    Salt Lake City, Utah

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike Roberts
    Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:03 PM
    To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
    Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group

     

    John,

     

    There are at least a few of us out here using eQUEST/DOE-2.2 on a regular basis.  I started using DOE-2.1 back when it was Cal-ERDA 1.3 (about 1979) and have followed the Hirsch upgrades through PowerDOE and eQUEST.  I have only seen a Beta version of eQUEST 3.0, but it looks very interesting.

     

    My specialty is energy simulation and I use eQUEST and the "Detailed Data Edit" Mode on almost all of our energy simulation jobs.  JJ Hirsch and Associates are looking for ways to offer more support, but probably at a price.  I can offer some support, free if it is trivial (to me) or at my regular rates if it is more involved.  Our web site is http://www.roberts-engineering.com/.  Hopefully, you will find some useful information there.

     

    I think the User Group is a good idea, though you already have a discussion forum through BLDG-SIM at gard.com.  Let me know how much interest you get.

     

    Mike 
      -----Original Message----- 
      From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Aulbach, John 
      Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:43 AM 
      To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com 
      Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group 
      May I ask how many people are attempting to use eQuest/DOE-2.2? I would like to form a User Group for exchanging questions and war stories, as the creators of the program do not apparently have funding for very much support (Sad). 
      I have taken Marlin Addison's a few times, with the last version I have (3.0) FINALLY beginning to make sense. I have used DOE-2.1 since 1984 and have some small familiarity with the intent, switches, and boundaries of the program. Until a decent front end come along for EnergyPlus, this is the way I am going. 
      There claims to be over 7,000 downloads of the program. Anyone getting into the "world past the Wizards" yet? 


      John R. Aulbach, PE, CEM 
      Project Engineer 
      Sempra Energy Solutions 
      555 West Fifth Street 
      Mail Location 27F3 
      Los Angeles, CA 90013 
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    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


    Normal.dot  2/4/2003   2:33 PM


    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


    Normal.dot  2/4/2003   2:33 PM


    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


    Normal.dot  2/4/2003   2:33 PM


    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


    Normal.dot  2/4/2003   2:33 PM


    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


    Normal.dot  2/4/2003   2:33 PM


    etc Group, Inc.    3481 South 2300 East, Salt Lake City, Utah 84109    (801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


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