[BLDG-SIM] Bulilding Simulation Software for Pools

[Jeff Haberl]

Hello:
 
There's a 1985 ASHRAE paper on using DOE-2 to do pool modeling...or at least
attempts to do so, entitled: Haberl, J., Claridge, D. 1985. "Retrofit Energy
Studies of a Recreation Center",  ASHRAE Transactions-Research, Volume 91,
Part 2, pp.  1421 - 1433, (June). In this paper we forced DOE-2 to do the
cooling
and dehumidification, which I is probably not the best tool for doing this
since DOE-2 does not directly control humidity. You should also get the
definitive work by Francis DeWinter, Atlas Corp., written about the same
time on pool heat loss/gain equations and then use something like TRNSYS to
do your own modeling. I'm sure there may already be some good modeling for
doing the pool modeling, and a literature search of the obvious places would
reveal what others have done.  However, combined pool modeling, with
radiative, mass exchange, convection, and system interactions would be a
complex exercise that needs an industrial-strength simulation. Hence the
need for a general purpose solver like TRNSYS or EES, perhaps coupled with a
CFD model that has a radiative network and all the necessary environmental
models (i.e., solar, wind, sky loss, ground coupling, etc.).
 
Jeff


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Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D., P.E.............................jhaberl at esl.tamu.edu 
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-----Original Message-----
From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of David Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:58 AM
To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Bulilding Simulation Software for Pools


Dear Group:
 
I am looking at a 50.000 indoor pool and my question is this:
Would Visual DOE be the preferred tool to simulate the building.  It will
have a dehumidifcation heat pump for the pool and a combination of
distributed heat pumps and radiant floor water to water heat pumps fed by an
open loop system. 
 
Thanks
 
Dave Stewart
 



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