[bldg-sim] Modeling buildings with natural ventilation for Appendix G
Marcus Sheffer
sheffer at sevengroup.com
Thu Dec 21 11:58:32 PST 2006
Mike,
The exception calculation method you describe is absolutely correct.
Obtaining savings for natural ventilation within LEED however is another
story. I am one of the certification reviewers and also vice-chair of the
EA TAG. My understanding is that to date the USGBC has not allowed natural
ventilation to fully count under EAc1 even if submitted as an exceptional
calculation method. The TAG is awaiting the work of the 90.1 subcommittee
you mention to develop a uniform methodology.
Perhaps your submission will be the one to set the precedent. Thanks to all
for helping to blaze the trail.
Marcus Sheffer
Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company
1200 E Camping Area Road, Wellsville, PA 17365
717-292-2636, <mailto:sheffer at sevengroup.com> sheffer at sevengroup.com
www.sevengroup.com
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From: bldg-sim at gard.com [mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tillou
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:03 PM
To: bldg-sim at gard.com
Subject: [bldg-sim] Modeling buildings with natural ventilation for Appendix
G
Not yet...I have a project with natural ventilation using this method that
will be submitted for final review in Feb-Mar 2007.
MMT
Michael Tillou, PE
ETC Group, Inc - Energy Engineering for a Sustainable Future
Ph:413-458-9870
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From: bldg-sim at gard.com [mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Alspach
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:34 PM
To: bldg-sim at gard.com
Subject: [bldg-sim] Modeling buildings with natural ventilation for Appendix
G
Mike,
Have you succeeded in getting a naturally ventilated building through the
USGBC with this method?
If so, I am sure all would be glad to hear it.
Peter
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From: bldg-sim at gard.com [mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike Tillou
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:18 AM
To: bldg-sim at gard.com
Subject: [bldg-sim] Modeling buildings with natural ventilation for Appendix
G
Ramana,
The ASHRAE 90.1 ECB sub-committee is working on a methodology for simulating
natural ventilation within the framework of Appendix G but I don't think its
finished yet. In the meantime here is what I would recommend.
Appendix G / 90.1 ECB allows you to use an exception calculation method to
simulate hybrid systems or unique efficiency measures to demonstrate
above-standard performance. I think this would certainly apply in your
case.
Here's what I have done on projects requiring an exception calculation
method.
1. Establish your energy cost budget and your design energy case following
the Appendix G guidelines.
2. Create a second model using the Design Energy Case as the baseline and
make the necessary modifications to simulate radiant heating / no cooling
via natural ventilation.
3. Report the energy savings from your exception calculation as a line item
at the end of your LEED EA-1 summary table (similar to how renewable energy
is reported).
4. Include a seperate summary table for the exception calculation showing
the energy end-use breakdown and how you arrived at the cost savings. Show
both the baseline and proposed energy use.
5. Make sure the savings are reasonable and prudent for the system you are
proposing.
6. Document any changes to the model especially changes to schedules that
were necessary to properly simulate your system.
7. Make it easy for someone to review your assumptions and the methodology
you used to estimate the savings
I hope this helps. Good luck.
Mike
Michael Tillou, PE
ETC Group, Inc - Energy Engineering for a Sustainable Future
Ph:413-458-9870
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From: bldg-sim at gard.com [mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com] On Behalf Of Ramana Koti
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 4:53 PM
To: bldg-sim at gard.com
Subject: [bldg-sim] Modeling buildings with natural ventilation for Appendix
G
Dear all,
Is ignoring natural ventilation in both proposed and baseline designs an
accepted/fair way of modeling based on Appendix G (ASHRAE 90.1-2004)?
Part of the proposed design has (radiant heating + natural ventilation) with
no cooling which was modeled as a radiant slab, no cooling, natural
ventilation ignored.
But the Baseline HVAC system based on Appendix G is System 5: Packaged VAV
w/Reheat. (Natural ventilation can be modeled based on Air Change method or
Sherman Grimsrud method though I do not know how to do it).
I cannot decide how to make the baseline and proposed comparable with
respect to Natural Ventilation (in a manner acceptable to LEED review),
suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ramana Koti, Sustainable Building Analyst
LEED AP
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