[Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9- More questions
W. Peter Anderson
panderson at jpengineer.com
Thu Mar 25 04:51:29 PDT 2010
Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9Excellent, thanks. Never would have thought of that.
Regards,
Peter
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From: Andrew Craig
To: W. Peter Anderson ; Kevin Kyte ; Fareed Syed ; Gregg Liddick ; Kimberly at NorthernArchitects.com ; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9- More questions
Peter---
Are you using eQUEST for modeling? If so, you can right click in the "Static in WG" box and hit "Restore Default". This will enable the "Design kW/CFM" input field.
Andrew Craig EIT, LEED AP
Mechanical Designer / Energy Analyst
INTERFACE ENGINEERING
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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9- More questions
I am working on a model doing the exact same thing for LEEDS baseline. I have calculated my Pfan but cant seem to input it or get the correct outputs.
The model wont allow me to enter anything in the kW/cfm screen. My equipment is a PSZ
Should I adjust the Static Pressures and efficiencies to get the same value?
Regards,
W. Peter Anderson, P.E
JP Engineering
41 Mechanic Street
Windsor, CT 06095
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From: Kevin Kyte
To: Fareed Syed ; Gregg Liddick ; Kimberly at NorthernArchitects.com ; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
Fareed,
Set your supply air to room temp delta t equivalent to 20F. Run the sim, if I am not mistaken this should generate usable airflow quantities to be used in point 9. Make sure you have oversizing in place before any of this. I have not been told this but I think G is set up to be done step by step from the beginning. In some instances you need to update your model in order to proceed with the next step. Good luck.
Kevin
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From: Fareed Syed [mailto:syedf at progressiveae.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:29 AM
To: Gregg Liddick; Kimberly at NorthernArchitects.com; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
Hi Greg,
My basic question is which cfm do I take to calculate Pfan? Just the supply to come up with kW/cfm or sum of supply, return, relief, and exhaust fans?
Thanks,
Fareed Syed EIT, LEED® AP
Mechanical Engineer
1811 4 Mile Rd NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49525
Phone: 616.361.2664 ext. 3247
Direct: 616.447.3447
Fax: 616.361.1493
syedf at progressiveae.com
www.progressiveae.com
From: Gregg Liddick [mailto:gliddick at theepstengroup.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:18 AM
To: Kimberly at NorthernArchitects.com; Fareed Syed; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
Hi Kim,
I'm fairly certain that there's no specific guidance in Appendix G. What most people do is break it up so that it's proportional to the proposed case. For example if the baseline fan power is 34.5 kW and the actual parameters call for 20 kW supply and 10 kW return you would break the baseline case up into 23 kW supply and 11.5 kW return. I hope that helps.
Gregg Liddick, EIT, LEED® AP
The Epsten Group, Inc.
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Atlanta GA 30312
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From: Kimberly Killian [mailto:Kimberly at NorthernArchitects.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
Gregg,
Is there guidance on what portion of the Pfan goes to each? What percentage goes to supply, what percentage to return, etc?
Kimberly Killian
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From: "Gregg Liddick"
To: syedf at progressiveae.com; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Received: 3/23/2010 5:24:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
No, you use only the fan supply cfm to calculate the total fan power, then cut that fan power up into supply, return, etc.
Best Regards,
Gregg Liddick, EIT, LEED® AP
The Epsten Group, Inc.
429 Edgewood Avenue
Atlanta GA 30312
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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Fareed Syed
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:11 PM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Apendix G3.1.2.9
Hello All,
I am trying to understand the stated appendix for the baseline model.
When I am calculating the Pfan for a system, do I need add up supply, return, system and room exhaust cfm's?
I got this comment from GBCI: "Revise the sum of the supply, return, exhaust, and relief fans for each HVAC system to be equal to the volume calculated in G3.1.2.8 and power calculated in G3.1.2.9 (where CFM refers to supply air volume)."
Please let me know your input on how to calculate Pfan.
Thanks,
Fareed Syed EIT, LEED® AP
Mechanical Engineer
1811 4 Mile Rd NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49525
Phone: 616.361.2664 ext. 3247
Direct: 616.447.3447
Fax: 616.361.1493
syedf at progressiveae.com
www.progressiveae.com
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