[Bldg-sim] Non for profit wheather data centres? Re: wind speed in TMY

[Radler63]

Hello,

data availibility either for simulation or predictive control is vital.
I was ventilating the idea of non for profit local data centres, collecting an providing data for facility management but also for planning building integrated solar  and wind harvesting.
Having all those web-enabled devices this should not be very costly.

Any progress anyhwere that this idea will materialise? While public administrations sleeping, finally the google boys may take over and we will risk a 100% dependency on them. I just learned that even sketchup is now part of building modeling.

best regards

Gerfried


From: Jeff Haberl 
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:20 AM
To: Paul Carey ; leen peeters ; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org 
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] wind speed in TMY

Hello,



Unfortunately, historical wind speeds on TMY files that come from NOAA data are from peak 5 minute gusts, which can have little correlation to average hourly wind speeds. At some stations integrating sensors have been added, but it will take time to push these data through the average year data base.



In addition, previous work in England using ultrasonic sensors has shown that NOAA data also suffers from severe drop out at speeds less than 5 to 10 MPH, which means that most sites show "0" wind speed, whereas there is actually some wind, but not enough to move the cups on the anemometer. This can be a problem for simulation of natural ventilation.



ASHRAE's TC 4.2 continues to discussed these and other issues, which can be viewed on ASHRAE web page in their meeting minutes.



Jeff



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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] on behalf of Paul Carey [paul at zed-uk.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:16 PM
To: leen peeters; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] wind speed in TMY


Dear Leen

Most weather data quotes the reference wind speed which is that at 10m above the ground as measured at certain weather stations. Adjustment factors are then made for levels of surface roughness, I.e. urban, rural environments. I think the TMY follows the same convention.

Paul


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----- Reply message -----
From: "leen peeters" <l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 20:34
Subject: [Bldg-sim] wind speed in TMY
To: <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>

Hi,

can anyone tell me what wind speed is exactly meant in the TMY. Is it the
free, undisturbed wind speed, the wind speed above the roof, the wind speed
at 10 metres above the ground ....

Thanks,

Leen





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