[Bldg-sim] Fwd: [Equest-users] A Response & Statement on Energy Modeling Services: Meaning and Value

[Cristian Salvador Jara Toro]

Dear all,

I´m forwarding this email because I haven´t receive any comments yet
(Pasha´s exception).

Any comment would be appreciated.

best.

*Cristian Jara Toro*
Ingeniero

Cel: 6 207 8566



Dear all:

(First of all, be careful with my sentences which might be miswritten,
because I´m not english native and in this topics about earned money or
billabe rates, we need to clarify and not to get hooked).

I´m continuing this post because I have some questions in order to unravel
the issue about Modelling. And I´ll start giving my gratefulness and
greetings to whom have written before.

Here is my list of questions/uncertainty related to .doc document attached
by Nick:


   - LEED are increasing his users/fans, and not only northamerica nor
   europe but south america is very close too, so, rates have to be universal
   or local? (it seem to me that this kind of filter dosen´t exist on GBCI in
   projects register matters).


   - we need to clarify skill levels on modelling. New? INtermediate?
   Advanced? Expert?


   - we need to clarify skill level on LEED modelling...


   - Misunderstood: if I pick up a project like "building energy
   evaluation" (and I alreday made my charge), and suddenly the mandator wants
   to get a LEED medal: the model is entirely drawn on software, I made my
   assumptions, and I´ve almost sent my results in an oficially report: the
   question is, how can I make another offer with Pasha´s cost logical? Are
   going to be the same hours (let´s say same example of 72,000sqft) to make
   LEED model?


   - What software I used to make my models? which one is free or which
   another is paid? is this going to make any difference with final price?


   - Do you have any way to compare "LEED" certification building model
   hour price, with some "energy evaluation" building model hour price? to
   make my own comparisons?


   - *Pasha´s* professional LEED hour rate it´s 60% over professional
   typical hour for whatever we are modeling without pursuing any
   certification.


   - some countries have very poor thermal standards, and we always are
   looking outside to make the difference to get/offer something better (in
   order to sustainability and eficiency) than 'we have'.


   - competition: small economies where few building are made per year
   (always comparing with USA or CA or Europe), how can I get prices agreement
   with my competition?


   - is it convenient to work on a project in an advanced design stage that
   suddenly wants to pursue LEED certification where we didn´t be before (I
   mean, have been part of the design team)?


   - can we do something similar to PassivHaus or BREEAM certification?


I think that´s all.
Thanks in advance and I´ll be waiting for any comments.

best greetings.

*Cristian Jara Toro*
Ingeniero - Editor de Libros.

Cel: 6 207 8566




On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Boxer, Eric <eboxer at pathfinder-ea.com>wrote:

>  Nick,****
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> Thanks for taking the time to put this credo together. There of many out
> there who support your values of quality in the modeling process.****
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> I would like to add to one of your points:****
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> ***1.       ****Energy modelers have a responsibility to influence,
> support, and engage themselves in the design process as a participating
> member of the design team.  If you instead structure your services as “a
> way to find LEED points after design is completed,” you have stumbled and
> fallen behind the starting line.  Your own hard-earned modeling skill set
> is rendered a meaningless exercise in paper-shuffling courtesy of the
> USGBC:  a disservice to yourself, your clients, and your energy modeling
> brethren.  *
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> I agree wholeheartedly with this; Bill and I definitely practice that here.
> ****
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> Adding to that:****
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> 3.1.    It is the responsibility of energy modelers to advocate for and
> support the collection of post-occupancy usage data in the buildings we
> model. Without this data, our models have little validity and we are not
> learning about how to simulate the way buildings operate, we are merely
> learning about how to use the energy modeling software. ****
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> Building energy use has a great deal to do with how facilities managers
> operate their buildings. By advocating for the additional M & V, we can
> move towards the adoption of energy models as a tool that building
> facilities managers can use to optimize building performance. This would
> make energy models really valuable tools with an extended lifetime beyond
> just scoring LEED points. Maybe we can also think about offering additional
> services to the facilities managers in helping them with this process. ***
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> Any other thoughts?****
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> Cheers,****
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> Eric****
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