[Bldg-sim] Dueling Simulatins
RobertWichert
robert at wichert.org
Fri Jan 20 06:44:21 PST 2012
I'm up for it. Jeremiah is up for it. Anybody with Trace up for it? I
only have EnergyPro.
Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP
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On 1/20/2012 12:02 AM, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
> Though I do not retract my statement with regards to energy plus and
> open studio, I do agree that eQUEST is a great starting point.
>
> I tend to use both, (eQUEST for preliminary, then Energy Plus, then
> crossrefrence my Energy Plus model output with the eQUEST run) but
> started with Energy Plus because I wanted to be able to model more
> then just thermal and electrical energy systems such as, green roofs,
> solar electric, solar thermal, vertical & horizontal wind turbines and
> have been recently been modeling phase change materials. At first it
> was a bit intimidating, but I got a feel for it pretty fast and now do
> not find the IDF editor to be a difficult of an interface for input
> data, and google sketch up can be used for the geometry and thermal
> zones.
> The exciting thing about energy plus is the open source tools
> available from NREL's Open studio project.
> http://openstudio.nrel.gov/
>
> And the new "Simergy" interface being realised by Laurence Berkley in
> April.http://eetd.lbl.gov/bt/simergy/key.html
>
> Bently havacomp has a new interface as well
> http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/Hevacomp+Dynamic+Simulation/
>
> And then there is design builder:
> http://www.designbuilder.co.uk/content/view/29/44/
>
>
> To me it makes more since to start with the latest and most powerful
> software, that is being funded by the USDOE and is updated every 6
> months. eQUEST is great, but in the long run Energy Plus is a more
> valuable skill set in my opinion. Also there are more features, and
> you can do interesting things with the output...
>
> A good example of something that is (from my understanding) not
> possible with eQUEST my current research for phase change materials,
> is visualized in this model of the generic phase change materiel from
> an example file, as compared to a baseline building..( currently
> working on the new version with bioPCM product
> data.).https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28
> <https://docs.google.com/a/setnrgh2o.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Angnu5sp0FF9dFB6RlNYSkZyMW5MUTd0cmNxZGhpbnc&hl=en_US#gid=28>
>
>
>
> To Robert I am very interested in dueling software! I also have a
> small factory that I have yet to do the simulation for with drop box
> full of details we could use in the duel ! Please let me know if you
> want to as it sounds fun:)
>
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> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Alex Krickx
> <akrickx at seriousenergy.com <mailto:akrickx at seriousenergy.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> There's been a lot of good feedback on these lists. I think a
> question to keep in mind while picking a modeling software is:
> what is your target building and target output?
>
> You mention envelope performance -- I've used some fenestration
> (window) specific modeling tools in the past when the building
> type is appropriate and the level of detail needed is not as high
> as to require a full eQUEST/EnergyPlus model.
>
> Comfen and Resfen developed by LBNL are great tool for commercial
> and residential analyses of fenestration impacts. I'm sure there
> are very many other tools that focus on components of a building.
> That may be an option for you as well.
>
> From one Alex to another, if I had to pick one, my vote would be
> for eQUEST as an accessible modeling environment with a great
> user-base (this list-serv and the archives) as well as many people
> teaching eQUEST classes across the country.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex Krickx
>
> Alex Krickx, LEED AP
>
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>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope
>
> Speaking from an architects perspective and admittedly novice
> energy simulator, Equest was pretty easy to access, and after
> going to one of the Equest courses, that made it even more
> useful. Alex, however, your tag line indicated you are involved
> in houses, so in that case Equest may not be appropriate, unless
> they are large multi-family types.
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> *Cc:* mark dewsbury
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope
>
> Alex,
>
> I would agree with Cheney here. The wizards available in eQuest
> will allow you to create and simulate typical buildings and
> various scenarios relatively quickly and easily and with a good
> level of confidence. The documentation which accompanies the
> eQuest download contains very useful reference and guidance
> documentation.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Chris
>
> On 2012-01-18, at 9:20 PM, Cheney <chenyu73 at gmail.com
> <mailto:chenyu73 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I do not think it is a good idea for a beginner to start with
> Energy Plus. Bear in mind, it is not so user friendly. Even a
> senior energy modeler may not be able to grasp it easily.
> Equest is more strait-forward to my mind.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cheney
>
> LinkedIN @ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
> <jeremiah at setnrgh2o.com <mailto:jeremiah at setnrgh2o.com>> wrote:
>
> My advise to Alex is to start with Energy Plus, as it has the
> most development put into it and the mose capabilities.
>
> Also Open studio has some great information as to where to
> start. http://openstudio.nrel.gov/
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:50 PM, mark dewsbury
> <Mark.Dewsbury at utas.edu.au <mailto:Mark.Dewsbury at utas.edu.au>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> The paper from referred to by Alex is no 6-7 years old. There
> has been a lot of movement in building simulation since then.
>
> Has anyone published formally or informally anything since 2005?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark Dewsbury (PhD)
>
> Residential Thermal Performance Research
> School of Architecture & Design
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> *From:*leen peeters [mailto:l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com
> <mailto:l.f.r.peeters at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 January 2012 7:35 AM
> *To:* Alex Colta
> *Cc:* bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Building envelope
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> welcome to the world of nerds ;-)
>
> There is an intersting document to start with:
>
> http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf
>
> That will probably get you a nice intro. If you are into the
> maths and equations, check out Joe Clarke's book on building
> simulation.
>
> Also Jan Hensen recently published one on building simulation.
>
> Good luck and welcome!
>
> Leen
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Alex Colta
> <alex.colta at rtsbuildingenvelope.com
> <mailto:alex.colta at rtsbuildingenvelope.com>> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon
>
> My name is Alex, and I'm new to building simulation world ,
> and i saw you have many simulation software ,
>
> *1.from my understanding the most used ones are eQuest and
> Trace 700, is it true ?,*
> * what the difference between these two, *
>
> *2.i would like to simulate more building envelope, what
> software suit more for that ?*
>
> Thank you very much for your support and help
>
> with best regard
>
> Alex
>
>
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