[Bldg-sim] Tall Bldg Pressurization & Stack Effect

[Jon Hand]

About ESP-r and tall buildings....

I know of no one who has attempted a super-tall building with ESP-r flow network. I was asked
one time about analysis of stack approaching 800m and my response then and now is that
this is SO FAR beyond the underlying correlations and research that a cautious
approach should include a substantial test and calibration phase. 

The mind-boggling number of leakage points would also be worth considering. Can
we safely ignore some classes of penetrations and facade faults?  Are
crack models in current tools valid for the extreme pressure differences one might
encounter?  It might require some new component representations.

And then there is the non-trivial issue that simulation tools work with single climate
files - over that vertical distance one might reasonably expect there to be
several different weather patterns (temperatures, wind speeds and directions)
and so it might be necessary to adapt tools to deal with multiple sets of boundary
conditions.  And there might be rapid fluctuations, so hourly weather patterns is
unlikely to provide a rich enough set of disturbances.

And most network flow codes assume that air is incompressible. That 'shortcut' helps
the solution and probably does little damage in models of moderate complexity
and it might not be valid in the context of super-tall.

Conceptually it might work and I would say there are a lot of caveats to resolve
and probably a substantial investment needed to be able to confidently approach
such projects.  And the teams that have implemented super tall buildings also
will have skills and methods that us mortals do not....  Not territory for novices.

Regards, Jon Hand


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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Varkie C Thomas [thomasv at iit.edu]
Sent: 02 May 2012 20:01
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Tall Bldg Pressurization & Stack Effect

Is COMIS still active?  How is it used within EnergyPlus? Can it be used to evaluate building pressurization and stack effect infiltration in multiuse (retail, office, hotel with fixed windows and apts at the top with operable windows) tall and super-tall bldgs (ex. 160 storey Burj Khalifa and proposed Jeddah Kingdom Tower)?  Can ESPr and IESVE be used to  evaluate bldg pressurization and stack effect infiltration in super-tall bldgs?  Is CONTAM linked with an energy program?