[Bldg-sim] A Response & Statement on Energy Modeling Services: Meaning and Value

RobertWichert robert at wichert.org
Mon May 14 06:40:33 PDT 2012


Chris,

Could you re-post the document, or send it to me directly, please?


Thanks!



Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C
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On 5/14/2012 6:13 AM, Cristian Salvador Jara Toro wrote:
> The Document attached by Chris is very helpful to "fee path" 
> establishment. In my case, it´s been very inextricable to develop some 
> fee-way which can be useful for both, the client an me (I work by 
> myself in modelling), but I think that always should exist -regardless 
> to ft2 or m2- a "minimum fee requirement" (for funny, like the LEED 
> prerequisite), and that I used to do.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cristian Jara Toro
> Ingeniero Acústico
> Modelamiento Térmico de Edificios
> Cel: 6 207 8566
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Chris Jones <cj at enersave.ca 
> <mailto:cj at enersave.ca>> wrote:
>
>     The IIBSE IDP_overview.pdf document attached provides a detailed
>     framework for planning the energy simulation stages.
>     We have been using this type of framework, adjusted for the
>     requirements of each projects, since 2001.  It is difficult to
>     provide a "typical" fee structure as each design team/owner will
>     have different goals.
>     As an example, an averaged sized secondary high school might allow
>     for 100 hours for the modeling/reporting for the integrated design
>     process from concept through design development to tender phase.
>
>     We rarely provide a fee proposal for final LEED modelling until
>     project has completed the tender phase.  Too much can change from
>     final design to final tender documents.
>
>     We provide an estimate at the beginning of the project.  The
>     client is welcome to set a different contract for final LEED
>     modelling.
>
>     An averaged size secondary high school would take about 100s hour
>     for final LEED modelling depending on how much has changed over
>     the course of the design process.
>
>
>     At 06:19 PM 11/05/2012, Fonner, Nicholas wrote:
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>>     I would like to see an explanation on the approach for estimation
>>     of effort and cost on the various phases throughout a typical
>>     project.  The effort for each stage is fairly easy to establish,
>>     but it has been difficult to account for iterations within the
>>     life of the project.  It may be the case where energy modeling is
>>     not given the same consideration as the design teams when large
>>     changes require large rework effort.  Does anyone have
>>     information that could help establish a fee structure for
>>     projects that start early and reoccur throughout the project
>>     phases?  The push for integrated building performance in the
>>     future is forcing building performance simulation and energy
>>     management to the center of design focus.  The original response
>>     from Nick, Bill, and Pasha is a great resource that hopefully
>>     gets a lot of attention.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     *Nic Fonner
>>     *Energy Modeling Group
>>     *Henneman *Engineering, Inc.  |  energy. focused.
>>     1605 South State Street, Champaign, IL 61820
>>     V 217.359.1514  |  F 217.359.9354  |  C
>>     www.henneman.com <http://www.henneman.com/>  |
>>     _nfonner at henneman.com_ <mailto:nfonner at henneman.com>
>>
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>     Christopher Jones, P.Eng.
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