[Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of models to

Jeremiah Crossett jcrossett at phasechange.com
Fri Jun 28 09:01:32 PDT 2013


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Sorry John R Ross III PE, your offer was very kind and I should have
responded to you directly. Your 1987 house was likely a pioneer and the
info it provided very valuable. Again, thanks anyways on the NDA and
tele-meeting. Got Ta watch out for what you sign these days.

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: John R Ross III PE
Sent: 6/28/2013 8:25 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org; Jeremiah Crossett
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of models to
actual?
Hi  Jeremiah;

I think you misunderstood my offer of co-operation.

I did NOT offer you a FORTRAN IV model of the energy use of a building
dating from  1977 or 1980.  I had both at  one time.  The 1980 model simply
crushed a few thousand combinations of insulation, finance rates, etc.

I  DID offer Phase Change Energy Solutions and Vesture Corporation in
Ashboro NC a trial Proof of Concept installation site with an=20
established energy
performance over 3 different heat pump installations, with and without=20
active thermal
solar on the roof running, asymmetric soffits, among other features in=20
Washington DC's
challenging 4000 degree day heating season and humid 2000 degree day=20
cooling season..
That offer has expired.

"modeling has came a long way since 1897! "
Yes it has. that would make me,  with BSME at age 20 (didn't have as=20
much content back then)
about  136 years old now.  On the factual side you will find evidence of=20
extremely sophisticated
solar pond engineering in early   Precolumbian  South America in=20
Ecuador??  Peru?? the Solar
ponds keep the growing vegetables relatively warm at night.......... =20
The argument centers on
how they came up with the design without Western math tools  - trig, =20
calculus......

I do not have much time for NDA's and tele-meetings... thanks anyway
You never replied to me directly at all; Since my misunderstood offer.

If you don't have any time for   NDA's ,  where  does  that leave you in
Todays  (started March 15, 2013)  First-to-File  Patent Law Landscape ???
versus the old first to invent system..........

By the way  guys on the list     "Pre -- Columbian" as used here means=20
before Christopher Columbus;
nothing else,  and it was not in the spelling checker.  (LOL)

OK  Back to Work It's  1130am early lunch is gone.........

bye


On 6/27/2013 5:32 PM, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
> Hi Jeremiah,
>
> Would you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you, namely:
> Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
> Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
> Matt, thanks for the link.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Diego
> Doctoral Candidate
> Harvard University
>
> Diego,
> I thought the responses that I got where posted to the list. For you=20
> and others reference I post all of the responses I got:
>
>  1. Try green building advisor
>
>
> (My response to this) I read this=20
> http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/energy-modeling-is=
n-t-very-accurate a=20
> while ago and did not think much of the way they talked badly about=20
> modeling, and would prefer information from actual modelers, as I am=20
> using this to support my actual modeling.. To me their article seems=20
> like it is downplaying the benefits of modeling, written by someone=20
> who is reading about modeling and writing an article=20
> rather than actively doing it.  It seems like taking advice about how=20
> to design a building from a contractor, they understand a bit, but=20
> really it is the architect and engineer that know what they are doing,=20
> the contractor is just the one who does it, or possibly more like=20
> getting news from a friend rather than the source.
>
> I am looking for personal experience or peer reviewed scientific=20
> papers. If anyone can help?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> 2. Hi;
>
> I've got a custom house that started as an  ASME design project.  It=20
> was built in 1986.
> We moved in January 1987.  I  have extensive records of energy used,=20
> features active
> in a particular month...... would you be interested in a technology=20
> demonstrator in the
> Washington DC metro area ??
>
>  How about a Non Disclosure Agreement and a tele-meeting ??
>
> JRR
>
> (My response) I am not so interisted in this due to the age of the=20
> model and complexity of the response..,  modeling has came a long way=20
> since 1897! and I do not have much time for NDA's and tele-meetings...=20
> thanks anyway
>
> 3. *Jeremiah,*
>
> **
>
> *I think you'll find a room full of experts and lots of advice on this=20
> at the upcoming SPC 209 Meeting at ASHRAE in Denver. I've enclosed a=20
> copy of the agenda, as well as the Chair's email, Jason Glazer. Part=20
> of the work for 209 is assembling the list you are looking for.*
>
> **
>
> *Also, you'll find useful information in the new Guideline 14, and in=20
> the Energy Management Handbook, by Doty and Turner.www.ibpsa.org=20
> <http://www.ibpsa.org/> and the www.esl.tamu.edu=20
> <http://www.esl.tamu.edu/> are also good places to check as well.*
>
> **
>
> *Jeff*
>
> **
>
> *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
>
> *AGENDA*
>
> *ASHRAE SPC209 Energy Simulation Aided Design*
>
> Monday, June 24, 2013
>
> 2:15-6:15p Governor's Square 12 (plaza building, concourse level)
>
> Sheraton Denver Downtown -
>
> Denver Colorado
>
> 1.*CALL TO ORDER*
>
> 1.1.Roll Call/Quorum Determination
>
> 1.2.Introduction of Members and Guests
>
> 1.3.Announcements
>
> 2.*AGENDA REVIEW*
>
> 3.*MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING - Nelson*
>
> 4.*LIAISON REPORTS -- Anyone present*
>
> 5.*SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS*
>
> 5.1.Predesign Subcommittee - Sheffer
>
> 5.2.Conceptual design/Schematic design - Katzenberger
>
> 5.3.Design development/Construction documents -- Baker
>
> 5.4.Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Reddy
>
> 5.5.Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee - DeBaillie
>
> 6.*OLD BUSINESS*
>
> 7.*NEW BUSINESS*
>
> 8.*NEXT MEETING:*//
>
> /8.1./*Standards writing tutorial*//
>
> /8.2./*Subcommittee calls*//
>
> /8.3./*Full committee calls*//
>
> 9.*ADJOURN*
>
> *//*
>
> */Subcommittee Meeting Times and Locations: (all in plaza building,=20
> concourse level)/*
>
> /SPC 209 Predesign Subcommittee - Sunday 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 3/
>
> /SPC 209 Design development/Construction documents - Sunday 6:00-10:0p=20
> Plaza Court 6/
>
> /SPC 209 Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Sunday=20
> 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 1/
>
> /SPC 209 Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee- Monday=20
> 8:00a-Noon Plaza Court 1/
>
> /SPC 209 Conceptual design/Schematic design -Monday 8:00a-Noon Plaza=20
> Court 7/
>
> *//*
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
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> Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E., FASHRAE.............. jhaberl at tamu.edu=20
> <mailto:jhaberl at tamu.edu>
>
> Professor............................................................Offi=
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> Ph: 979-845-6507
>
> Department of Architecture.............................Lab Ph:979-845-606=
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>
> Energy Systems Laboratory.............................FAX: 979-862-2457
>
> Texas A&M University.....................................77843-3581
>
> College Station, Texas, USA,=20
> 77843..................URL:www.esl.tamu.edu <http://www.esl.tamu.edu/>
>
> 8=3D/  8=3D)  :=3D)  8=3D)  ;=3D)  8=3D)  8=3D()  8=3D)  :=3D)  8=3D)  8=
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>
>
> (my response) sorry Could not make it this year:(
>
> 4. Jeremiah,
>
> That is an important topic among researchers and practitioners in the=20
> simulation community for the last 20-30 years.
>
> I made a presentation on this topic in a public EETD/LBNL seminar, A=20
> closer look at the energy performance of buildings: simulated vs.=20
> measured. Slides are available in PDF at=20
> http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-the-energy-pe=
rformance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured
>
> I have some journal articles discussing related topics. You can find=20
> them by using the Google Scholar.
>
> Tianzhen
>
> (my response) Tianzhen, thanks for the link. This is good work, well=20
> done and very much what I was looking for.
>
> 5. Jeremiah,
>
> In the last couple of years, we did a couple of cases with DoD=20
> buildings and you can check the following papers:
>
> 1.O'Neill, Z.D. and B.  Eisenhower. 2013. Leveraging the Analysis of=20
> Parametric Uncertainty for Building Energy Model Calibration. Building=20
> Simulation: An International Journal. DOI 10.1007/s12273-013-0125-8.
>
> 2.O'Neill, Z. D., B. Eisenhower, V. Fonoberov and T. Bailey. 2012.=20
> Calibration of a Building Energy Model Considering Parametric=20
> Uncertainty. ASHRAE Transactions, 118(2). ASHRAE Annual Meeting. San=20
> Antonio, TX. Jun 23--27, 2012.
>
> 3.O'Neill, Z. D., B. Eisenhower, S. Yuan, T. Bailey, S. Narayanan and=20
> V. Fonoberov.2011. Modeling and Calibration of Energy Models for a DoD=20
> Building. ASHRAE Transactions, 117(2): 358-365. ASHRAE Annual Meeting.=20
> Montreal, Qu=C3=A9bec, Canada. June 25--29, 2011.
>
> Zheng
>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Zheng O'Neill, PhD, PE
>
> Department of Mechanical Engineering
>
> The University of Alabama
>
> Box 870276
>
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0276 USA
>
>
> (My response) Zheng, thanks for the info, I may purchase one of these=20
> papers, looks like very good work.
>
>
> 6. Hi Jeremiah,
>
>
> This might be too simplistic for what you're trying to do, and it's=20
> more "hands on" as opposed to "peer-reviewed research" but for some=20
> quick checks here's what I do:
>
> * Compare to CBECS.  I use www.buildingbenchmarks.com=20
> <http://www.buildingbenchmarks.com/>. It's a quick and free website. =20
> You enter basic info (zip code, square footage range, primary building=20
> activity, and range of years the building was completed) and it pulls=20
> the relevant info from CBECS for you.  It gives you a simple breakdown=20
> of average annual electric and gas usage by activity (not monthly,=20
> unfortunately).  So within a few seconds you can see how your model=20
> compares.
>
> * For existing buildings with utility bills available, I run a=20
> baseline energy report per ASHRAE 14.  I use www.noesisenergy.com=20
> <http://www.noesisenergy.com/>, another free tool.  I enter in 12+=20
> months of utility bills and it will generate weather-normalized=20
> baseline reports, complete with the regression analysis equations. =20
> They use heating and cooling degree days from the closest weather=20
> station to your site (based on the calculated balance point=20
> temperatures for heating or cooling), plus utility billing days for=20
> each month.  They do NOT factor in other variables like occupancy or=20
> production.  You can compare actual, adjusted baseline, and typical=20
> consumption for each month, for each utility.  So if you're using TMY2=20
> or TMY3 weather data in your model, you can see how it compares to the=20
> typical monthly consumption from the baseline report.  I use this as a=20
> guide for calibration.
>
> I've had a discussion with William Ball at Noesis about using their=20
> tools to better support energy modelers, and encouraged him to check=20
> out IBPSA.
>
> Again, this might be missing the point of your request, and a little=20
> too simplistic, so I didn't want to post it to the entire Bldg Sim=20
> listserv....
>
> Best of luck in your efforts and please let me know what you find!
>
> Matt Huffman, LEED AP
> Manager, Energy Services
> Murphy & Miller, Inc.
>
> (My response)  Matt, these look like very useful tools, saving time=20
> going through the database also providing useful data normalization.=20
> Thanks, I did not know about this service and will put it to use in=20
> the future.
>
> 7. Dear Jeremiah,
> I recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's design-phase=20
> (compliance) energy models post-design, focusing on a building owner's=20
> perspective.  For #2, "How does a proposed building typically stack up=20
> against the utility bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the=20
> original purpose of the model.  Was the modeler trying to predict=20
> utility bills, or rather demonstrate compliance with a code/standard?=20
> For example, for LEED-compliance models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1)=20
> protocol, modelers made default assumptions regarding plug-loads.=20
>  This could lead to very inaccurate models, especially for=20
> energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers.  I have some=20
> case studies, but they're essentially specific to these older versions=20
> of LEED. I'm not sure if that's helpful to you.
>
> For #3, "How accurate should an existing building model be to be=20
> considered useful?", I'd say it depends on what you're trying to do=20
> with the model. Test future retrofits? Benchmark the building? Detect=20
> subtle equipment faults?  I have a couple case studies that involved=20
> such major building faults that even relatively  poorly-calibrated=20
> models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) helped detect the problems.  Again,=20
> I'm not sure if that's relevant to you.
>
> I'm happy to share my findings if they're relevant.  Please contact me=20
> if this sounds like it might be helpful.
> Best,
> Holly
> Holly W. Samuelson
> Doctor of Design | Registered Architect | LEED AP BD+C
> Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design
>
> (My response)  Holly, thanks for the input and please do share the=20
> case studies.
>
>
>
>
>
> /
> /
> **
> **
> **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions=
*
> *
> *120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951*
> **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
> *
> **
> **
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Diego Ibarra <diegobeps at gmail.com=20
> <mailto:diegobeps at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Jeremiah,
>
>     Would you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you,
>     namely:
>     Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
>     Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
>     Matt, thanks for the link.
>
>     Thanks.
>
>     Diego
>     Doctoral Candidate
>     Harvard University
>
>
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
>     <jcrossett at phasechange.com <mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com>> wrote:
>
>         Everyone,
>         Thanks for the responses.
>
>         Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
>         Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
>         Matt, thanks for the link.
>         Holly, thanks for the information and yes, please do send your
>         case studies.
>
>
>         Cheers!
>
>
>
>
>         /
>         /
>         **
>         **
>         **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change
>         Energy Solutions*
>         *
>         *120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile
>         503-688-8951 <tel:503-688-8951>*
>         **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
>         *
>         **
>         **
>         **
>         **
>
>
>
>         On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Samuelson, Holly Wasilowski
>         <hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.edu
>         <mailto:hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
>             Dear Jeremiah,
>             I recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's
>             design-phase (compliance) energy models post-design,
>             focusing on a building owner's perspective.  For #2, "How
>             does a proposed building typically stack up against the
>             utility bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the
>             original purpose of the model.  Was the modeler trying to
>             predict utility bills, or rather demonstrate compliance
>             with a code/standard? For example, for LEED-compliance
>             models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1) protocol, modelers
>             made default assumptions regarding plug-loads.  This could
>             lead to very inaccurate models, especially for
>             energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers.  I
>             have some case studies, but they're essentially specific
>             to these older versions of LEED. I'm not sure if that's
>             helpful to you.
>
>             For #3, "How accurate should an existing building model be
>             to be considered useful?", I'd say it depends on what
>             you're trying to do with the model. Test future retrofits?
>             Benchmark the building? Detect subtle equipment faults?  I
>             have a couple case studies that involved such major
>             building faults that even relatively  poorly-calibrated
>             models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) helped detect the
>             problems.  Again, I'm not sure if that's relevant to you.
>
>             I'm happy to share my findings if they're relevant.
>              Please contact me if this sounds like it might be helpful.
>             Best,
>             Holly
>             Holly W. Samuelson
>             Doctor of Design | Registered Architect | LEED AP BD+C
>             Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design
>             -------------------------------------------------------------=
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>             *From:* Jeremiah Crossett [jcrossett at phasechange.com
>             <mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com>]
>             *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 10:08 PM
>
>             *To:* bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
>             <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>; Terry Puccini
>             *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of
>             models to actual?
>
>             Dear bldg sim,
>
>             I am looking for papers that elaborate on the concept of
>             modeling, and how it correlates to actual utility data to
>             share with people within my company.
>
>             The questions keeps popping up, eg..
>
>              1. How does a baseline building compare to an average
>                 building?
>              2. How does a proposed building typically stack up
>                 against the utility bills once the building is built?
>              3. How accurate an existing building model should be to
>                 be considered useful, and how accurate
>                 is typically possible?
>              4. For an experimental setup what would be considered to
>                 be close enough to be considered a "validated" model?
>
>             My understanding is that modeling is to show relationships
>             between average a baseline of a chosen vintage and that of
>             a proposed design in terms of relative percentages.  For
>             existing buildings I think that useful is within 20%
>             and typically possible is 10%. Then for a validation
>             model, the most important factor is similar curves and
>             close totals.
>
>             If anyone has any recommended papers, or personal
>             experience it would be appreciated.
>
>             Kind regards
>
>
>
>
>             **
>             **
>             **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change
>             Energy Solutions*
>             *
>             *120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile
>             503-688-8951 <tel:503-688-8951>*
>             **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
>             *
>             **
>             **
>             **
>             **
>
>
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    Hi  Jeremiah;<br>
    <br>
    I think you misunderstood my offer of co-operation.<br>
    <br>
    I did NOT offer you a FORTRAN IV model of the energy use of a
    building<br>
    dating from  1977 or 1980.  I had both at  one time.&nbs=
p; The 1980 model
    simply<br>
    crushed a few thousand combinations of insulation, finance rates,
    etc.<br>
    <br>
    I  DID offer Phase Change Energy Solutions and Vesture Corporation
    in<br>
    Ashboro NC a trial Proof of Concept installation site with an
    established energy <br>
    performance over 3 different heat pump installations, with and
    without active thermal <br>
    solar on the roof running, asymmetric soffits, among other features
    in Washington DC's<br>
    challenging 4000 degree day heating season and humid 2000 degree day
    cooling season..<br>
    That offer has expired.<br>
    <br>
    "<font color=3D"#336666">modeling has came a long way since 1897! "</fo=
nt><br>
    Yes it has. that would make me,  with BSME at age 20 (didn't have =
as
    much content back then)<br>
    about  136 years old now.  On the factual side you will find
    evidence of extremely sophisticated<br>
    solar pond engineering in early   Precolumbian  South America=
 in 
    Ecuador??  Peru?? the Solar<br>
    ponds keep the growing vegetables relatively warm at
    night..........  The argument centers on<br>
    how they came up with the design without Western math tools  -&nbs=
p;
    trig,  calculus......<br>
    <br>
     <font color=3D"#336666"> I do not have much time for NDA's and
      tele-meetings... thanks anyway</font><br>
    You never replied to me directly at all; Since my misunderstood
    offer.<br>
    <br>
    If you don't have any time for   NDA's ,  where  do=
es  that leave
    you in <br>
    Todays  (started March 15, 2013)  First-to-File  Patent =
Law
    Landscape ???<br>
    versus the old first to invent system..........<br>
    <br>
    By the way  guys on the list     "Pre -- Colum=
bian" as used here
    means before Christopher Columbus;<br>
    nothing else,  and it was not in the spelling checker.  (LOL)=
<br>
    <br>
    OK  Back to Work It's  1130am early lunch is gone.........<br=
>
    <br>
    bye<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2013 5:32 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite=3D"mid:CAPsP_xQEEq=3DPp9aCM8X+MHZ5c+pvGDyUCaDRQXMsD87c=3DLQ2gA at mail.gm=
ail.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Hi
          Jeremiah, </span>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br>
        </div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Would
          you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you,
          namely:</div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
          <div class=3D"im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">
            <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px">
              <font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Tianzhen,
                thanks for the link. </font></div>
            <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
                color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Zheng, thanks
                for the recommended reading. </font></div>
            <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
                color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Matt, thanks
                for the link.</font></div>
            <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
                color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
              </font></div>
          </div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
              color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks.</font><=
/div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
              color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
            </font></div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
              color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Diego</font></d=
iv>
          <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
              color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Doctoral
              Candidate</font></div>
          <div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
              color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Harvard
              University</font></div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">
            <div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font
                    face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
                  </font></font></font></div>
            Diego, </font></font></font>
      <div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I
              thought the responses that I got where posted to th=
e list.
              For you and others reference I post all of the resp=
onses I
              got:</font></font></font></div>
      <div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><=
br>
            </font></font></font></div>
      <div>
        <ol>
          <li><span
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px">Try
              green building advisor</span></li>
        </ol>
      </div>
      <div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><=
br>
            </font></font></font></div>
      <div><font style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
              face=3D"arial, sans-serif">(My </font>response<font
              face=3D"arial, sans-serif"> to this) I read this </=
font></font></font><a
          moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/energy-model=
ing-isn-t-very-accurate"
          target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs=
/dept/musings/energy-modeling-isn-t-very-accurate</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"> a
          while ago and did</span><font
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"> not thin=
k much
            of the way they talked badly about modeling, and would
            prefer information from actual modelers, as I am using this
            to support my actual modeling.. To me their article seems
            like it is downplaying the benefits of modeling, written by
            someone who is reading about modeling and writing an =
article
            rather than actively doing it.  It seems like
            taking advice about how to design a building from a
            contractor, they understand a bit, but really it is
            the architect and engineer that know what they are do=
ing,
            the contractor is just the one who does it, or possibly more
            like getting news from a friend rather than the sourc=
e. </font></font>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
            color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
            </font></font></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
            color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I am looking
              for personal experience or peer reviewed scientific
              papers. If anyone can help?</font></font></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
            color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
            </font></font></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
            color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
            </font></font></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
            color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks =
</font></font></div>
      </div>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
          </font></font></div>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">2.
        Hi;<br>
        <br>
        I've got a custom house that started as an  ASME design
        project.  It was built in 1986.<br>
        We moved in January 1987.  I  have extensive records of e=
nergy
        used, features active<br>
        in a particular month...... would you be interested in a
        technology demonstrator in the<br>
        Washington DC metro area ??<br>
        <br>
         How about a Non Disclosure Agreement and a tele-meeting ??<br=
>
        <br>
        JRR</div>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br>
      </div>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
          color=3D"#336666">(My response) I am not so interisted in this
          due to the age of the model and complexity of the response..,
           modeling has came a long way since 1897! and I do not have
          much time for NDA's and tele-meetings... thanks anyway</font></di=
v>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br>
      </div>
      <div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">3. <b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jeremiah,</span></b></di=
v>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think you’ll fin=
d a
            room full of experts and lots of advice on this at the
            upcoming SPC 209 Meeting at ASHRAE in Denver. I’ve enclos=
ed
            a copy of the agenda, as well as the Chair’s email, Jason
            Glazer. Part of the work for 209 is assembling the list you
            are looking for.</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Also, you’ll find
            useful information in the new Guideline 14, and in the
            Energy Management Handbook, by Doty and Turner.<a
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.ibpsa.org/"
              target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">www.ibpsa.or=
g</a><span
              style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"> and the <a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.esl.tamu.edu/"
                target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">www.esl.ta=
mu.edu</a> are
              also good places to check as well.</span></span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&nb=
sp;</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jeff</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">++++++++++++++++++++++++=
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AG=
ENDA</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AS=
HRAE
            SPC209 Energy Simulation Aided Design</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Monda=
y,
          June 24, 2013</span><span
          style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span
            class=3D"aBn" tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
              class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">2:15</span></span>-6:15p Governor&#8=
217;s
          Square 12 (plaza building, concourse level)</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Shera=
ton
          Denver Downtown -</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Denve=
r
          Colorado</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
        align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">&nbsp=
;</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">CALL TO ORDER</span></b>=
</p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.1.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Roll Call/Quorum
          Determination</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.2.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Introduction of Members
          and Guests</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.3.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Announcements</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AGENDA REVIEW</span></b>=
<span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">3.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">MINUTES OF THE LAST
            MEETING - Nelson</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">4.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">LIAISON REPORTS –
            Anyone present</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS</sp=
an></b><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.1.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Predesign Subcommittee -
          Sheffer</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.2.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Conceptual
          design/Schematic design - Katzenberger</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.3.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Design
          development/Construction documents – Baker</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.4.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Construction/Commissioning=
/As-Built/Operations
          - Reddy</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.5.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Resources/References/Defin=
itions
          Subcommittee - DeBaillie</span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">6.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">OLD BUSINESS</span></b><=
span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">7.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEW BUSINESS</span></b><=
span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEXT MEETING:</span></b>=
<i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.1.<span
              style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
              New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Standards writing
            tutorial</span></b><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.2.<span
              style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
              New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subcommittee calls</span=
></b><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.3.<span
              style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
              New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Full committee calls</sp=
an></b><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">9.<span
            style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp;   </span></span><b><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">ADJOURN</span></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><i><span
              style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></i></b><=
/p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><i><span
              style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subcommittee Meeting
              Times and Locations: (all in plaza building, concourse
              level)</span></i></b></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Predesign
            Subcommittee - Sunday 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 3</span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Design
            development/Construction documents - Sunday 6:00-10:0p Plaza
            Court 6</span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209
            Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Sunday
            6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 1</span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209
            Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee- Monday 8:00a-<sp=
an
              class=3D"aBn" tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
                class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">Noon</span></span> Plaza Cour=
t 1</span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
            style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Conceptual
            design/Schematic design -Monday 8:00a-<span class=3D"aBn"
              tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
                class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">Noon</span></span> Plaza Cour=
t 7</span></i></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><i><span
              style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></i></b><=
/p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
          style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </s=
pan></p>
      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
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pan></p>
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            moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:jhaberl at tamu.edu"
            target=3D"_blank">jhaberl at tamu.edu</a> <br>
          <br>
          Professor........................................................=
....Office
          Ph: 979-845-6507<br>
          <br>
          Department of Architecture.............................Lab
          Ph:979-845-6065<br>
          <br>
          Energy Systems Laboratory.............................FAX:
          979-862-2457<br>
          <br>
          Texas A&M
          University.....................................77843-3581<br>
          <br>
          College Station, Texas, USA, 77843..................URL:<a
            moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.esl.tamu.edu/"
            target=3D"_blank">www.esl.tamu.edu</a><br>
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      <div
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55,255,255)"><font
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
          </font></font></div>
      <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
              face=3D"arial, sans-serif">(my </font>response<font
              face=3D"arial, sans-serif">) sorry Could not make it this
              year:( </font></font></font></div>
      <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
          color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
              face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
            </font></font></font></div>
      <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
          face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">4.&nb=
sp;</font></font><span
          style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jeremiah,</=
span></div>
      <br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">That
        is an important topic among researchers and practitioners in the
        simulation community for the last 20-30 years. </span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">I
        made a presentation on this topic in a public EETD/LBNL seminar,
        A closer look at the energy performance of buildings: simulated
        vs. measured. Slides are available in PDF at </span><a
        moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-the-ene=
rgy-performance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured"
        target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-th=
e-energy-performance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured</a><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">I
        have some journal articles discussing related topics. You can
        find them by using the Google Scholar.</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
      <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Tianzhen</span>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>(my response) <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Tianzhen,
          thanks for the link. This is good work, well done and very
          much what I was looking for. </span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
        <div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"=
><br>
              </font></font></font></div>
        <div><font color=3D"#330000"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"=
>5. </font></font><span
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255)">Jeremiah,</span></font>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font
                color=3D"#330000"> </font></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font
                color=3D"#330000">In the last couple of years, we did a
                couple of cases with DoD buildings and you can check the
                following papers:</font></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
"> </span></p>
          <p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">1.<sp=
an
                style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">&nbsp=
;      </span></span><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O&#82=
17;Neill,
              Z.D. and B.  Eisenhower. 2013. Leveraging the Analysis o=
f
              Parametric Uncertainty for Building Energy Model
              Calibration. Building Simulation<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK156"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK157"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">: An International Journal.&n=
bsp;</a>DOI
              10.1007/s12273-013-0125-8.</span></p>
          <p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">2.<sp=
an
                style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">&nbsp=
;      </span></span><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O&#82=
17;Neill,
              Z. D., B. Eisenhower, V. Fonoberov and T. Bailey. 2012. =
<a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK135"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK136"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Calibration of a Building
                Energy Model Considering Parametric Uncertainty</a>.
              ASHRAE Transactions, 118(2).  <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true=
"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK137"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK138"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">ASHRAE Annual Meeting. San
                Antonio, TX. Jun 23–27, 2012</a>.</span></p>
          <p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><a
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK40"
              style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
              name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK41"
              style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span
                style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">3.<=
span
                  style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">&nb=
sp;      </span></span><span
                style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O&#=
8217;Neill,
                Z. D., B. Eisenhower, S. Yuan, T. Bailey, S. Narayanan
                and V. Fonoberov.2011. </span></a><a
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK76"
              style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
              name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK75"
              style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span
                style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mod=
eling
                and Calibration of Energy Models for a DoD Building</span><=
/a><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">.&nbs=
p;<a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK133"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK134"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">ASHRAE Transactions, 117(2):
                358-365. </a>ASHRAE Annual Meeting. Montreal, <a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK15"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK7=
"
                style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Québec</a>, Canada. Ju=
ne
              25–29, 2011.</span><span
              style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;text-i=
ndent:0in"> </span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Zheng=
</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">&nbsp=
;</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Zheng
              O’Neill, PhD, PE</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Depar=
tment
              of Mechanical Engineering</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
              University of Alabama</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Box
              870276</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tusca=
loosa,
              AL 35487-0276 USA</span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
              style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
            </span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
"><font
              color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                style=3D"font-size:15px">(My response) Zheng, thanks f=
or
                the info, I may purchase one of these papers, looks like
                very good work. </span></font></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
"><font
              color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                style=3D"font-size:15px"><br>
              </span></font></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
">
            <font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                style=3D"font-size:15px">6. </span></font><span
              style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hi Jeremiah,</span></p=
>
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">This
            might be too simplistic for what you're trying to do, and
            it's more "hands on" as opposed to "peer-reviewed research"
            but for some quick checks here's what I do:</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">*
            Compare to CBECS.  I use </span><a moz-do-not-send=3D=
"true"
            href=3D"http://www.buildingbenchmarks.com/" target=3D"_blank"
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">www.buildingbenchmarks.com</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">.&=
nbsp;
            It's a quick and free website.  You enter basic info (zip
            code, square footage range, primary building activity, and
            range of years the building was completed) and it pulls the
            relevant info from CBECS for you.  It gives you a simple
            breakdown of average annual electric and gas usage by
            activity (not monthly, unfortunately).  So within a few
            seconds you can see how your model compares.</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">*
            For existing buildings with utility bills available, I run a
            baseline energy report per ASHRAE 14.  I use </span><=
a
            moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.noesisenergy.com/"
            target=3D"_blank"
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">www.noesisenergy.com</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">,
            another free tool.  I enter in 12+ months of utility bills
            and it will generate weather-normalized baseline reports,
            complete with the regression analysis equations.  They use
            heating and cooling degree days from the closest weather
            station to your site (based on the calculated balance point
            temperatures for heating or cooling), plus utility billing
            days for each month.  They do NOT factor in other variable=
s
            like occupancy or production.  You can compare actual,
            adjusted baseline, and typical consumption for each month,
            for each utility.  So if you're using TMY2 or TMY3 weather
            data in your model, you can see how it compares to the
            typical monthly consumption from the baseline report.  I u=
se
            this as a guide for calibration.</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">I've
            had a discussion with William Ball at Noesis about using
            their tools to better support energy modelers, and
            encouraged him to check out IBPSA.</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Again,
            this might be missing the point of your request, and a
            little too simplistic, so I didn't want to post it to the
            entire Bldg Sim listserv....</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Best
            of luck in your efforts and please let me know what you
            find!</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Matt
            Huffman, LEED AP</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Manager,
            Energy Services</span><br
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
          <span
            style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Murphy
            & Miller, Inc.</span></div>
        <div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666">(My&n=
bsp;response)
               Matt, these look like very useful tools, saving&nb=
sp;time
              going through the database also providing useful da=
ta
              normalization. Thanks, I did not know about this service
              and will put it to use in the future. </font></font></di=
v>
        <div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666"><br>
            </font></font></div>
        <div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666">7.&nb=
sp;</font></font><span
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13p=
x">Dear
            Jeremiah,</span></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">I
          recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's
          design-phase (compliance) energy models post-design, focusing
          on a building owner's perspective.  For #2, "How does a
          proposed building typically stack up against the utility
          bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the original purpose
          of the model.  Was the modeler trying to predict utility
          bills, or rather demonstrate compliance with a code/standard?&nbs=
p;<span
            style=3D"font-size:10pt">For example, for LEED-compliance
            models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1) protocol, modelers
            made default assumptions regarding plug-loads.  This could
            lead to very inaccurate models, especially for
            energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers.  I
            have some case studies, but they're essentially specific to
            these older versions of LEED. I'm not sure if that's helpful
            to you.</span></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><span
            style=3D"font-size:10pt"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><span
            style=3D"font-size:10pt">For #3, "How accurate should an
            existing building model be to be considered useful?", I'd
            say it depends on what you're trying to do with the model.
            Test future retrofits? </span><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t">Benchmark
            the building?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"> Detect
            subtle equipment faults?  I have a couple case studies tha=
t
            involved such major building faults that even relatively
             poorly-calibrated models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) help=
ed
            detect the problems.  Again, I'm not sure if that's releva=
nt
            to you.</span></div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><br>
        </div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">I'm
          happy to share my findings if they're relevant.  Please
          contact me if this sounds like it might be helpful.</div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">Best,</div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">Holly</div>
        <div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><font
            color=3D"#888888">
            <div> </div>
            <div><font color=3D"#ff6600" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1">Holly W.
                Samuelson<br>
              </font></div>
            <div><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1">Doctor o=
f
                Design </font><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial"
                size=3D"1"><font color=3D"#888888"><font color=3D"#999999"
                    size=3D"1">| </font></font>Registered Architect | =
LEED
                AP BD+C <br>
                Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design</font></div>
            <div><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1"><br>
              </font></div>
            <div><span
style=3D"color:rgb(51,102,102);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small=
">(My response)
                 Holly, thanks for the input and please do share the
                case studies.</span></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
          </font></div>
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          <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM,
            Diego Ibarra <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                href=3D"mailto:diegobeps at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">diego=
beps at gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeremiah, 
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Would you mind sharing the resources people have
                  shared with you, namely:</div>
                <div>
                  <div class=3D"im">
                    <div
                      style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px">
                      <font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">T=
ianzhen,
                        thanks for the link. </font></div>
                    <div
                      style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px"><font
                        color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Zheng=
,
                        thanks for the recommended reading. =
</font></div>
                    <div
                      style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px">
                      <font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">M=
att,
                        thanks for the link.</font></div>
                    <div
                      style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px"><font
                        color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
                      </font></div>
                  </div>
                  <div
                    style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
                      color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks.=
</font></div>
                  <div
                    style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px">
                    <font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br=
>
                    </font></div>
                  <div
                    style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
                      color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Diego</=
font></div>
                  <div
                    style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px">
                    <font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Doc=
toral
                      Candidate</font></div>
                  <div
                    style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
                      color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Harvard
                      University</font></div>
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00190734863px"><font
                      color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
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00190734863px"><font
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                <br>
                <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                  <div>
                    <div class=3D"h5">
                      On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jeremiah
                      Crossett <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                          href=3D"mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com"
                          target=3D"_blank">jcrossett at phasechange.com</a>&g=
t;</span>
                      wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div>
                      <div class=3D"h5">
                        <font><font color=3D"#333333"
                            face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Everyone, </fon=
t></font>
                        <div><font><font color=3D"#333333"
                              face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks for
                              the responses. </font></font></div>
                        <div><font><font color=3D"#333333"
                              face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
                            </font></font></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif">Tianzhen, thanks for the
                              link. </font></span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif">Zheng, thanks for
                              the recommended reading. </fon=
t></span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif">Matt, thanks for the link.</font>=
</span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif">Holly, thanks for the
                              information and yes, please do send your
                              case studies. </font></span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif"><br>
                            </font></span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif"><br>
                            </font></span></div>
                        <div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
                              sans-serif">Cheers! </font></span></div>
                        <div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif"><=
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                          </span></div>
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                              sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px"><b=
r>
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                              <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 25,
                                2013 at 6:01 PM, Samuelson, Holly
                                Wasilowski <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
                                    moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                                    href=3D"mailto:hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.e=
du"
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d.edu</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
                                  style=3D"margin:0 0 0
                                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                  solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                  <div>
                                    <div
                                      style=3D"direction:ltr;font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Tahoma">Dear
                                      Jeremiah,
                                      <div>I recently completed my
                                        dissertation on reusing today's
                                        design-phase (compliance) energy
                                        models post-design, focusing on
                                        a building owner's perspective.
                                         For #2, "How does a proposed
                                        building typically stack up
                                        against the utility bills?", I'd
                                        say it partially depends on the
                                        original purpose of the model.
                                         Was the modeler trying to
                                        predict utility bills, or rather
                                        demonstrate compliance with a
                                        code/standard? <span
                                          style=3D"font-size:10pt">For
                                          example, for LEED-compliance
                                          models under older LEED
                                          (ASHRAE 90.1) protocol,
                                          modelers made default
                                          assumptions regarding
                                          plug-loads.  This could lead
                                          to very inaccurate models,
                                          especially for
                                          energy-intensive programs such
                                          as labs or data centers.  I
                                          have some case studies, but
                                          they're essentially specific
                                          to these older versions of
                                          LEED. I'm not sure if that's
                                          helpful to you.</span></div>
                                      <div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><=
br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">F=
or
                                          #3, "How accurate should an
                                          existing building model be to
                                          be considered useful?", I'd
                                          say it depends on what you're
                                          trying to do with the model.
                                          Test future retrofits? </spa=
n><span
                                          style=3D"font-size:10pt">Benchmar=
k
                                          the building?</span><span
                                          style=3D"font-size:10pt"> De=
tect
                                          subtle equipment faults?  I
                                          have a couple case studies
                                          that involved such major
                                          building faults that even
                                          relatively  poorly-calibrate=
d
                                          models (per ASHRAE 14
                                          definitions) helped detect the
                                          problems.  Again, I'm not su=
re
                                          if that's relevant to you.</span>=
</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I'm happy to share my
                                        findings if they're relevant.
                                         Please contact me if this
                                        sounds like it might be helpful.</d=
iv>
                                      <div>Best,</div>
                                      <div>Holly</div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div
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                                              Jeremiah Crossett [<a
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                                              17, 2013 10:08 PM
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                                                Terry Puccini<br>
                                                <b>Subject:</b>
                                                [Bldg-sim] Recommended
                                                reading on comparison of
                                                models to actual?<br>
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<font><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Dear bldg sim,</font></font></font>
                                                <div><font
                                                    color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
                                                      </font></font></font>=
</div>
                                                <div><font
                                                    color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I am looking for papers that elaborate on the
                                                        concept of
                                                        modeling, and
                                                        how it
                                                        correlates to
                                                        actual utility
                                                        data to share
                                                        with people
                                                        within my
                                                        company.</font></fo=
nt></font></div>
                                                <div><font
                                                    color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
                                                      </font></font></font>=
</div>
                                                <div><font
                                                    color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">The questions keeps popping up, eg.. </font=
></font></font></div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <ol>
                                                    <li><span
                                                        style=3D"font-famil=
y:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,102,102)">How
                                                        does a baseline
                                                        building compare
                                                        to an average
                                                        building?</span></l=
i>
                                                    <li><span
                                                        style=3D"font-famil=
y:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,102,102)">How
                                                        does a proposed
                                                        building
                                                        typically stack
                                                        up against the
                                                        utility bills
                                                        once the
                                                        building is
                                                        built?</span>
                                                    </li>
                                                    <li><font
                                                        color=3D"#336666"
                                                        face=3D"tahoma,
                                                        sans-serif">How
                                                        accurate an
                                                        existing
                                                        building model
                                                        should be to be
                                                        considered
                                                        useful, and how
                                                        accurate
                                                        is typically&n=
bsp;possible? </font></li>
                                                    <li><font
                                                        color=3D"#336666"
                                                        face=3D"tahoma,
                                                        sans-serif">For
                                                        an experimental
                                                        setup what would
                                                        be considered to
                                                        be close enough
                                                        to be considered
                                                        a "validated"
                                                        model?  </font=
>
                                                    </li>
                                                  </ol>
                                                  <div><font
                                                      color=3D"#336666"
                                                      face=3D"tahoma,
                                                      sans-serif">My
                                                      understanding is
                                                      that modeling is
                                                      to show
                                                      relationships
                                                      between average a
                                                      baseline of a
                                                      chosen vintage and
                                                      that of a proposed
                                                      design in terms of
                                                      relative
                                                      percentages.  Fo=
r
                                                      existing buildings
                                                      I think that
                                                      useful is within
                                                      20% and typicall=
y
                                                      possible is 10%.
                                                      Then for a
                                                      validation model,
                                                      the most important
                                                      factor is similar
                                                      curves and close
                                                      totals. </font><=
/div>
                                                  <div><font
                                                      color=3D"#336666"
                                                      face=3D"tahoma,
                                                      sans-serif"><br>
                                                    </font></div>
                                                  <div><font
                                                      color=3D"#336666"
                                                      face=3D"tahoma,
                                                      sans-serif">If
                                                      anyone has any
                                                      recommended
                                                      papers, or
                                                      personal
                                                      experience it
                                                      would be
                                                      appreciated. </f=
ont></div>
                                                  <div><font
                                                      color=3D"#336666"
                                                      face=3D"tahoma,
                                                      sans-serif"><br>
                                                    </font></div>
                                                  <div><font
                                                      color=3D"#336666"
                                                      face=3D"tahoma,
                                                      sans-serif">Kind
                                                      regards </font><=
/div>
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                                                      sans-serif"><br>
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