[Bldg-sim] simulation program for green roof

[Jones, Christopher]

Link to the paper referred to below:
http://www.ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2011/P_1927.pdf


Christopher Jones, P.Eng.
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From: Bldg-sim [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of hamnmegs at ozemail.com.au
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But do all of these programs account fro the impact on the roof micro climate? None to my knowledge do. When you get a large roof surface the above roof air temperature bias can be 2-5DegC between a cool roof (or green roof) and more historical roof (higher absoprtance). These second order effects become essential to account for if you have mechanical equipmnt on the roof as ventilation air and condesning temperatures are impacted. We have been doing some research into this area in Australia. Think about the urban heat island effect at a micro scale, becomes very important with big box retail, shopping centres, industrial facilities, airports, maybe hospitals etc. for shopping centres in Australia with AHUs on the roof, E+, DOE-2.2 and IES only account for 20-25% of the cool roof benefits via th first order effects. The second order effects due to the micro climate bias are 3-4 times what is accounetd for within these programs ...

We haven't been able to get software developers to bring attention to this so if others can shake the tree it would be good as the workarounds while possible are quite involved with a high degree of uncertainty. There is a paper I wrote for IBPSA BS 2011 I can forward when I get back from leave in a few weeks for those interested.

Graham Carter

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EnergyPlus has a model for green roofs


I’m not sure it handles acoustics, but it will simulate energy and water.




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 Dear Colleagues,

Would you tell me, please, which simulation program can simulate performance of green roofs.I would be grateful if you
could kindly guide me by offering any information . I am planning to simulate performance of one the building in terms of
energy and acoustic through green roof.

Thanks in advance for any help and advice
Shahryar Habibi, architect
PhD candidate in  Architectural Technology
University of Ferrara, Department of Architecture





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