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[EnergyPlus_Support] Re: about the minimum system air flow ratio





Dear, 
Thank you very much for your reply! I used SET POINT MANAGER:WARMEST 
to reset the supply air temperature as mentioned by Mike and did the 
simulation again, but it didn't seem to work. The heating was also 
needed all the year round, and the amount needed was similar to that 
before.The smaller the minimum system air flow ratio and the zone 
minimum air flow fraction were set, the smaller heating would be 
used in the summer and winter. Compared the simulation results with 
that simulated using DOE-2.1E, the cooling energy was similar, but 
the heating energy was greatly different, and there was no heating 
in the summer in the DOE-2.1E simulation results, and all the 
parameters were the same in the EnergyPlus model and the Doe-2.1E 
model. The heating energy simulated using DOE-2.1E was much larger 
than that simulated using EnergyPlus in winter when the minimum 
system air flow ratio and the zone minimum air flow fraction were 
set as smaller values so as to have a smaller heating energy in the 
EnergyPlus model. I want to know how can I get the reasonable 
results?  Could you give me some more advice? Thanks again!

Best,

Stewart

--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Michael J. Witte" 
<mjwitte@g...> wrote:
> If humidity control is not an issue, you can use SET POINT 
MANAGER:WARMEST to 
> reset the supply air temperature.  This will reduce the amount of 
summer reheat 
> required but will also increase fan power.  Or you can schedule 
reheat coils 
> off for the summer and let the spaces overcool.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 11 Nov 2004, at 10:54, Edward Lyon wrote:
> 
> > 
> > You may not have a simulation mistake.  A variable air volume 
system
> > will use heat during summer cooling to avoid over cooling a 
space.  For
> > instance, if your system discharges 50F air, but the cooling 
load only
> > requires 60F air at the minimum flow volume, heat will be needed 
to
> > maintain set point temperature.  Typically you will need a cold 
supply
> > air temperature to lower the dew point of the ventilation air for
> > humidity control.  Maintaining humidity control requires heating 
to
> > avoid over cooling the space.
> > 
> > Ned Lyon
> > 
> > Senior Project Manager
> > Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Inc.
> > 
> > 41 Seyon Street
> > Building #1, Suite 500
> > Waltham, MA  02453
> > 
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> > 
> > >>> beyangj@h... 11/11/2004 10:03:09 AM >>>
> > 
> > Dear,
> > In my simulation, the minimum system air flow ratio and the zone 
> > minimum air flow fraction were varied several times, and that 
> > affected the result of cooling energy slightly, but that 
affected 
> > the result of heating energy obviously.  I am wondering why 
there is 
> > some heating in the summer days, and the heating just occurs in 
the 
> > period the system is turned on. When the ratio and the fraction 
> > mentioned before are set smaller, the heating in the summer 
would 
> > also become smaller. As a matter of fact, there is no heating in 
the 
> > summer days, but there is always some heating in the summer days 
> > even the minimum system air flow ratio is set as 0.01. How can I 
get 
> > rid of this mistake? In addition,  I want to know how much these 
> > ratio values  affect the results. Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Stewart
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> ========================================================
> Michael J. Witte, GARD Analytics, Inc.
> EnergyPlus Testing and Support      
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