[Equest-users] Chiller ROI - HELP!

[John Aulbach]

Is this at a constant condenser water temperature, or is there condenser water relief?




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From: James Hansen <JHANSEN at ghtltd.com>
To: Brett Sanicola <BSanicola at asbengineering.com>; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Sent: Thu, April 1, 2010 1:31:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Chiller ROI - HELP!


Here’s a custom curve from a McQuay frictionless chiller that I just used on a project:
 
     TONS          PLR KW/TON 
250 1 0.64 
225 0.9 0.56 
200 0.8 0.509 
175 0.7 0.451 
150 0.6 0.4 
125 0.5 0.346 
100 0.4 0.368 
75 0.3 0.413 
50 0.2 0.495 
25 0.1 0.697 
 
Like you said, when you start to get into the 10%-20% ranges, KW/ton starts to suffer, and this is a VFD chiller with magnetic bearings, so it’s better than most.
 
GHT Limited
James Hansen, PE, LEED AP
Senior Associate
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Arlington, VA  22201-4749
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From:Brett Sanicola [mailto:BSanicola at asbengineering.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:23 PM
To: James Hansen; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Chiller ROI - HELP!
 
I reread your email and something you said struck a chord.  I'm assuming the default curve, which I'm currently using, falls off drastically at part load.  Hence the reason for my results.  Am I assuming correct?  Also, how would I change the curve? Can I do that in the wizard or will I need to access the detailed interface?
 
Respectfully,
 
Brett Sanicola
Engineer
ASB Engineering
(516) 785-4200
From:James Hansen [mailto:JHANSEN at ghtltd.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:02 PM
To: Brett Sanicola; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Chiller ROI - HELP!
 
KW/ton drops off with decreasing part load, and since the chiller isn’t always operating at ARI full load conditions, you can’t just divide total chiller energy consumption (in KWH) by the total cooling load (in btu) and hope to get anywhere near the full load rated KW/ton.
 
As you go about this ROI study, make sure that when you are analyzing your proposed chiller replacement, that you create a custom EIR vs PLR curve based on manufacturer’s data, otherwise you’re using a default DOE-2 curve that isn’t necessarily correct.
 
Furthermore, to make the study worthwhile, the existing chiller model really needs to be normalized as best as possible to actual building operating conditions.  You can get away without doing it for a simple comparison, but it would be more accurate if you normalized to utility bills.
 
GHT Limited
James Hansen, PE, LEED AP
Senior Associate
1010 N. Glebe Rd, Suite 200
Arlington, VA  22201-4749
703-338-5754 (Cell)
703-243-1200 (Office)
703-276-1376 (Fax)
www.ghtltd.com
 
 
From:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Brett Sanicola
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:38 PM
To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Equest-users] Chiller ROI - HELP!
 
I've been attempting to calculate a simple ROI for a new 250 ton chiller our client wants to install to replace his older chiller.  I ran the simulation for the default "high rise hotel" construction which, to my luck, is quite similar to the actual building.  The detailed results, however, are not making sense to me.  Specifically, when I look at Equipment Loads and Energy Use for the Chiller, the Elec Use and Cool Load don't coincide given the default Chiller efficiency of .67kw/ton.  For example they give a Chiller Elec Use of 535453 KWH and a Cool Load of 3294 MBTU.  However, according to my calculations, at .67KW/TON, 535453 KWH should give me closer to 9590 MBTU.  I see most of the hours are in part load range, but does the efficiency drop off that dramatically at part load that it would explain the discrepancy?  Which numbers should I base my analysis on, the Cool Load number or the Elec Use number.
 
Also, on the same page (Equipment Loads and Energy Usage), it gives me a peak load of 2436 KBTU/HR.  However, when I go to the section titled "Building Peak Load Components" the peak cooling load is significantly less (1619 KBTU/HR)
 
At this point, I have no idea what any number represents, since I don’t know how it was calculated.
 
I greatly appreciate any help!  Thanks.
 
Respectfully,
 
Brett Sanicola
Engineer
ASB Engineering
(516) 785-4200

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