[Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*

[Carol Gardner]

If you have an economizer you had better put the econo-low-limit temperature
in. It is necessary. You can access help screens in DD edit also. Once again
I encourage you to read the on line help using the pull down menu. I do
believe econo-low-limit temp is available in the wizards too.


On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Adrian Gurga <gurga at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I understand. For some reason it appears that the wizards will sometimes
> generates a DOE2 input which doesn't include the econo-low-limit line and
> thereby generates a warning. I'm not sure what causes this to happen, but as
> long as the model runs without it, I won't bother. Thanks for direction to
> the DOE2 definitions file, that's the one I was looking for. It describes in
> detail what econo-low-limit is used for and it probably isn't relevant to my
> purposes.  I think we can call this case closed.
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto Schwieterman <oschwieterman at fhai.com
> > wrote:
>
>>  I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode because it is very unlikely
>> that you can get good results by simply using the wizard. There are too many
>> major variables that you cannot change in the wizard. You might as well pick
>> the cost/energy consumption via experience if you are not going to go into
>> the detailed edit mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out so you have results to
>> show I would ignore the econo-low-limit but remember that the results mean
>> nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adrian Gurga [mailto:gurga at illinois.edu]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
>> *To:* James Hansen
>> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>> Excellent.  Thanks James.  And yes, it's up to us to figure out how to use
>> it, which I think qualifies as "no support".  I'm sure the programmers
>> responsible for the software are perfectly competent, and I did not mean to
>> suggest otherwise.  I suppose what I really meant to say was that the
>> software has no customer support, which is understandable because it's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now back to the model.  So one would have to go into the detailed mode in
>> order to change this parameter?  If one was to work with a model only via
>> the DD wizard as we sometimes do for order of magnitude estimates, would it
>> be OK to leave ecnono-low-limit unused? or would this result in inaccurate
>> results?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen <JHANSEN at ghtltd.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> See below.  Also, the technical support isn’t “very poor”, it’s just that
>> the people working on technical issues are actually programmers.  It’s up to
>> us to figure out how to use it properly.
>>
>>
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>> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
>> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Gurga
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>> Carol,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all due respect, "Only to input the temperature and to look at your
>> help screen." is not a complete sentence.  Please reply using English if
>> you'd like to post on a listserv.  If you have advice on how to address this
>> warning, please provide it.  Additionally, "Flaming" (
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming) is a behavior
>> typically reserved for prepubescents on chat forums, not professional
>> listservs.  Please show some professional courtesy in your responses.  Now,
>> let's move forward amicably and discuss the actual topic of the post.
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it has very poor technical
>> support which is why listservs like this exist.  Here is the research I've
>> done so far.  Inputting a seach for "econo-low-limit" or even just "econo"
>> in the eQUEST helpfile produces no results.  Are there "pull down help
>> menus" which discuss this topic as Carol suggests?  If so, please direct me
>> to them.  Googling "econo-low-limit" produces one relevent hit other than
>> this listserv, a user poses the same question I have, but is issue is never
>> resolved (http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0 ).  A
>> search of "econo-low-limit" on this listserv will yield five results.  In
>> four of these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed as an input, in the fifth,
>> it is suggested as a way of manipulating the model.  However, I cannot find
>> anywhere on this listserv where the warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has
>> been discussed.  Therefore, I assume it's a reasonable to post and and I
>> hope it will be helpful to future users.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't figure out where to specify an econo-low-limit in the DD wizard,
>> if I need to go into the detailed edit to address this, please let me know
>> where that variable is edited.  I have attempted to edit the files manually
>> in notepad to specify an econo-low-limit, so far have had no luck, but
>> truthfully I'm not too experienced with manual edits.  If anyone could
>> provide some assistance with where to edit this parameter, it would be
>> appreciated.  Alternatively, if this warning does not have detrimental
>> impact on the outputs, I will just ignore it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts and comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adrian Gurga
>> Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>> University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
>> www.sedac.org
>> (217) 244-4671
>> (800) 214-7954
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner <cmg750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need to be responsible enough
>> to at least look at the pull down help menus before asking a question on the
>> listserv, It is impolite and wasteful of everyone's time to not do so. I
>> have sympathy for someone who is learning but if they really care to learn
>> this skill and be in the business they need to learn to at least try to find
>> the answers they need. Perhaps the college systems have changed, which would
>> be a shame, but when I was in school I had to research and find my own
>> answers. Since I'm older than dirt we didn't have listservs, Google, or any
>> of those useful tools that now make finding answers so much easier.
>>
>> I rest my case,
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer <jglazer at gard.com> wrote:
>>
>> Carol,
>>
>> The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:
>>
>> "The eQUEST-users  mailing list is for everyone that uses the eQUEST
>> program. Users at every experience level are encouraged to join this mailing
>> list and share their questions and knowledge. Users of the DOE-2.2 and
>> D2Comply are also welcome. The mailing list will be a user-to-user support
>> forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."
>>
>> We appreciate your contribution but please either reply politely or not at
>> all.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>>
>>  Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is
>> something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't
>> try another profession.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga <gurga at illinois.edu
>>
>> <mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>    I am working with a model and am working with the following warning
>>    whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log
>>
>>    Line  1336:  Warning Encountered:
>>       INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..
>>      ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>    Any ideas?
>>
>>    --
>>    Adrian Gurga
>>    Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>>    University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
>>
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