[Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!
Bruce Easterbrook
bruce5 at bellnet.ca
Fri Jul 9 15:59:34 PDT 2010
I guess my question has opened a can of worms but that was why I asked
the question. Maybe the eQuest code writers will have to answer this
one. Maybe I was delirious after 16 hours on the computer when I made
my observations. I noticed that wizard changes were inserted at the end
of the INP file when you press finish. If you then press simulate,
eQuest will do another run of the (a) BDL file. It does not seem to be
a new BDL file, possibly a modified one based on the current INP file ie
changes tacked onto the end, maybe just the old BDL file. Certain line
based errors don't seem to get updated unless the program is shutdown,
opened and recompiled. My new simulation was kicking out on the same
line error as before. Maybe I adjusted the BDL file by mistake, but I
don't think I did, I adjusted the INP file. Finally in frustration I
closed the project and went to bed. Opened the same file in the
morning, it compiled perfect, pressed simulate and that ran too. So the
new question is what is different between doing a save in the program,
simulating, and shutting down, restarting and simulating? When does the
line order in the INP file get updated? Maybe this is why Carol likes
editing in the INP file so much, she fixes the error at the line it
occurred at, rather than the wizard fix which seems to append the INP
file. I did do a INP fix where I noticed the call for a change I had
make had caused the run to fail. I just grabbed the change from the end
of the INP file, moved it up to before the call, saved it and then the
simulation ran.
Contradicting Nick, it seems to me the INP file is the active file for
making changes and the BDL file is the compiled result from the INP file
that is used to run the simulation. If you change the BDL file then it
will be over-written. But on the other hand Nick does know the program
extremely well and has had success changing the BDL file. All this
seems to support my contention that there is a difference in how eQuest
treats a full shutdown and recompile verses one in the program with just
a save. Dating myself here, I haven't written and compiled code since
the days of card readers. For the program to run you have to compile
the whole program. You can have discrete programs making up the whole,
they can be compiled and test run separately, but in the end, you have
to compile the whole program at once. Thoughts?
Bruce
On 09/07/2010 04:22 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
>
> Let me take a crack at the piñata too!
>
> - eQuest Wizard information is stored in the pd2 file.
>
> - When you hit the "Finish" button in the wizards, an .inp file is
> generated based on the Wizard inputs (which are in the pd2)
>
> - Whenever you run a simulation, whether in detailed or wizard mode,
> eQuest will first "evaluate" everything in the current .inp file. The
> generated report is the .bdl file.
>
> As a result of the above, changing anything in the .bdl file will do
> nothing for you -- treat it simply as a report and make changes to the
> .inp file.
>
> Additionally, if you are ever trying to copy/paste information into a
> wizard-level project, you will never get anywhere pasting into the
> .inp because that .inp will get overwritten (a new one is generated)
> every time you "finish" your wizard screens.
>
> ~Nick
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> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Demba Ndiaye
> *Sent:* Friday, July 09, 2010 3:18 PM
> *To:* Bruce Easterbrook; Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; cmg750 at gmail.com
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!
>
> Bruce,
>
> To your question (My question is does eQuest take the INP file and
> create a new BDL file on opening the project? I'm referring to the
> initial run (compile) eQuest does on opening, is it creating a new BDL
> file?), answer is YES.
>
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>
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>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Bruce Easterbrook
> *Sent:* Friday, July 09, 2010 3:40 PM
> *To:* Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.; cmg750 at gmail.com
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!
>
> I have a question, partly due to my ramble a few weeks ago on the
> wizards and how I use them. After a long series of adjustments I
> shutdown and re-initialize the program. My question is does eQuest
> take the INP file and create a new BDL file on opening the project?
> I'm referring to the initial run (compile) eQuest does on opening, is
> it creating a new BDL file?
> To second what everyone else is saying, certain errors are easier
> fixed in the INP file, like these ones. The main thing to remember is
> to always have a backup copy. The most important one is your last one
> before you leave the wizards. Then go for it, if you crash it, copy
> your copy and try and other tack.
> Bruce
> Abode Eng.
>
> On 09/07/2010 02:48 PM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. wrote:
>
> one thing you can do is make changes to the .pd2 and .inp files using
> notepad once you've figured out what you need to change. for
> example, if your EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced but is no
> longer defined, you have a plenum space that belonged to a space that
> changed names during a zoning change. look at the .inp file line
> number, find out which space the EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) is
> supposed to correlate to and change the name accordingly - in the .inp
> file. once these references are corrected the simulation should run
> fine.
>
> you're probably looking at changing EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) to
> whatever the new space name is (checking what comes before line 14898
> can put you in the right direction on finding the correct name to
> change to.
>
> and when you have a working simulation always backup your .pd2 (wizard
> mode) and/or .inp (detailed mode) files even if you just copy them in
> the same directory.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced on line 14898 but
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 West Perim Spc (G.W4) was referenced on line 15237 but
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 WNW Perim Plnm (G.WNW7) was referenced on line 15377
> but never
>
> defined.
>
>
>
> On 7/9/10 11:23 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>
> Hmm. Well I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are asking, but
> here are my recommendations. Finish what you need to do in DDWizard
> and get out of it. I wouldn't even try to make the changes you are
> trying to make while in the Wizard.
>
> Don't fear DD edit. You can do things in it just as easily as in the
> Wizard, and if you get stuck we'll help. Like I said earlier, the
> easiest way to see what and where the error is, is to open up the .bdl
> and .inp files. That might be even scarier to you than DD edit, and
> that's okay, you should be scared. You can mess up in a hurry but with
> careful work you won't.
>
> Take a deep breath and get out of the Wizard!!
>
> Cheers,
> Carol
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com
> <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Carol, Dave, and Mtt:
>
> Thank you for the replies. I did look in the BDL file, but did not
> realize I had to update the inp.
>
> That being said, am I safe in assuming that, if I stay in the DDwizard
> (not quite ready to leave yet), every time i add information and
> compile, I will have the same error. The root cause of the error is
> in the interface, correct? If that is the case, then the reality is
> it just cannot be fixed unless i change the inp file after compiling?
>
> Thank you again!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Carol Gardner <cmg750 at gmail.com <mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com>>
> *To:* Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>>
> *Cc:* eQuest user forum <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>>
> *Sent:* Fri, July 9, 2010 1:32:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Strange errors in file- HELP!
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Here's my strategy when this happens to me. I open the *.inp* file and
> the *.bd*l file in Word. I then use the Edit, Find feature and search
> on ERROR in the *.bdl* file. When I find the line that the error is
> occurring in I then fix it in the *.inp* file. Repeat until all errors
> gone. You probably have an existing space that shared an interior wall
> with your now deleted space and is trying to reference it using"
> NEXT-TO". Be sure to fix the error in the *.inp* file not the .bdl
> file, which I have done a few times. This is one example of why it is
> good to familiarize yourself with the Building Descriptive Language
> (BDL): you can make these sorts of fixes much easier in your input
> deck using than trying to figure it out in DD edit. Just be sure not
> to delete any delimiters (..)
>
> Let me know how you do..
>
> Carol
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Paul Brooks <equestpaul at yahoo.com
> <mailto:equestpaul at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> I am modeling an addition to an existing building. I originally did
> the shell/zoning using just the original building. I then, after
> saving a back up copy of the base building, i went back to the shell
> and zone drawing screens in the DD wizard and expanded the shell to
> account for the addition, and then went into the zone creation and
> adjusted my zones. I was sure to follow the rules about matching
> verticies, etc.
>
> Now i am getting errors concerning the zone and plenum. It appears
> that the program is still seeing plenums and walls that are now
> non-existent. The program says that plenums are being referenced but
> are not defined (see error message below).
>
> Anyone got any ideas on how to clear this?
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 East Perim Plnm (G.E6) was referenced on line 14898 but
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 West Perim Spc (G.W4) was referenced on line 15237 but
> never
>
> defined.
>
> *ERROR****************************************************************************************
>
> *ERROR*****EL3 WNW Perim Plnm (G.WNW7) was referenced on line 15377
> but never
>
> defined.
>
> **************************************** 5 ERRORS
>
> **************************************** 2 WARNINGS
>
> **************************************** 103 CAUTIONS
>
> *20195* COMPUTE ..
>
> *20196* STOP ..
>
> **************************************** 5 ABORT-LEVEL DIAGNOSTICS
>
>
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