[Equest-users] Understanding Floors
Peter Hillermann
e190984026 at exchange.1and1.com
Mon Jun 21 12:12:41 PDT 2010
I can put more than 1 zone into a space. When you go to the HVAC tab it will
show your building together within that space. The problem I had was
overlapping zones, one stacked on top of the other with the same ceiling
height so I broke apart my office into 2 different floors as you can see by
the images. That's where my question came from.
Thanks,
PETER HILLERMANN
peterh at westallarchitects.com
westall
architects
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From: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:pasha.pkconsulting at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Sami, Vikram
Cc: Nick Caton; Peter Hillermann; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
I'm with Vik- I thought it was only one space to one zone, but if someone
has a new way of things, please share...
pkg
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sami, Vikram <Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com>
wrote:
Nick,
How do you group multiple spaces in one zone? I always thought you could do
only one space per zone.
Vikram Sami, LEED AP
Sustainable Design Analyst
1382 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nick Caton
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:00 PM
To: Peter Hillermann; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
Hey Peter,
If by "stack" you mean place one space geometrically over another, the
answer is yes. If you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in
different elevations, the answer is also yes.
However, I would like to hammer out your wording again to be sure we're on
the same page! I think you meant to ask "Can you stack a space in a shell?"
Spaces are normally "inside" shells in a geometrical sense, as they are
generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.
Zones, in contrast, have nothing to do with geometries - they are simply
groupings of spaces with some extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on.
Those spaces could be all over the place - at different elevations, within
different shells. pretty much any combination from my experience.
Best of luck! If you are getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a
thousand questions (?).
~Nick
PS to all: The SD/DD Wizards are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard
to helping new users understand the distinction between "space" & "zone."
Some work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to understand, but the
Wizard screens inconsistently interchange the terms and may cause others
confusion in the long run. See my description below for a simple breakdown
if you are cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).
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From: Peter Hillermann [mailto:peterh at westallarchitects.com]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM
To: Nick Caton; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
Nick,
Thanks again. Can you stack a space in a zone?
Thanks,
PETER HILLERMANN
peterh at westallarchitects.com
westall
architects
3404 pierce drive
chamblee, georgia 30341
o 770.458.4113
f 770.458.5352
c 678.898.2936
westallarchitects.com <http://westallarchitects.com/>
From: Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton at smithboucher.com]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM
To: Peter Hillermann; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
Peter, I think you might be leading yourself into some unnecessary confusion
with your word choices.
eQuest has 3 distinct entities:
- Shells are simply groups of spaces
- Spaces are geometrical volumes, which may or may not have floors,
walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them. Internal loads / daylighting /
occupancies are attributed to spaces.
- Zones are simple entities that include one or more spaces, with
additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and airflow specifics.
You're using "floors" to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems.
For clarity when discussing eQuest, "floors" are merely the constructions we
walk on, normally one attribute of a "space."
All that said, it's entirely possible to model a "box within a box," as
you're describing. You are limited in the wizards (by their nature) with
regard to defining zones/footprints. the best approach depends on the nature
of the space footprints you want to model. If it's very simply two stacked
cubes enclosed within a larger cube, I'd personally model one shell, with
one space carved out of the middle. Then I'd use the detailed mode to
shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling dimensions to match the first
floor office, then copy the entire space and its componenents for the second
floor. I'd adjust the largest cube's volume (it's a space property) to
correct the conditioned volume, and be sure all partitions are correctly
associating the three spaces together. With all spaces sorted out, ensure
your three spaces are correctly grouped with regard to "zones," for
association with your HVAC system(s).
Clear as mud =)?
~Nick
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NICK CATON, E.I.T.
PROJECT ENGINEER
25501 west valley parkway
olathe ks 66061
direct 913 344.0036
fax 913 345.0617
Check out our new web-site @ <http://www.smithboucher.com/>
www.smithboucher.com
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Hillermann
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM
To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
To All,
I just want to make sure I understand the properties behind floors. If you
have a square building volume with a smaller square inside it that has 2
levels. EG:- an atrium as main space with 2 levels that are offices. There
will be a total of 3 floors in your model. Atrium floor, first floor office
and second floor office. Each of these will have a designated floor to floor
height. You cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.
Is this correct?
Thanks,
PETER HILLERMANN
peterh at westallarchitects.com
westall
architects
3404 pierce drive
chamblee, georgia 30341
o 770.458.4113
f 770.458.5352
c 678.898.2936
westallarchitects.com <http://westallarchitects.com/>
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