[Equest-users] Saving Schedules to Library

[Nick Caton]

To Pasha's concerns - I am personally very comfortable with the import
function placing things in the appropriate locations, but that is based
solely on my own personal investigation and tinkering with the program
when I first explored the possiblities.  I've yet to come across any
issues, but until you do feel comfortable, you can always import to a
copy of your actual project to verify the result before proceeding.
Constructions end up listed with existing constructions, annual/week/day
schedules end up with their counterparts, and so forth as far as I've
been able to tell.

 

Order of systems where OA-FROM-SYSTEM is in play is an independent and
isolated quirk of the eQuest/DOE2 that you may have to deal with even if
you don't use importing, and neither is it terribly difficult to resolve
once it's brought to your attention (likely on trying to simulate).  I
guess I'm just saying that this particular issue isn't a reason to avoid
importing where it can save time... 

 

That said, while I have imported portions of airside/waterside systems
into new projects for modification/use, I have *always* built DOAS
systems "from scratch" on a project-by-project basis, when I am modeling
them distinct from the systems served.  Importing an independent DOAS
and its components would be a tricky endeavor, to be sure...  I will
likely consider importing DOAS setups more viable and time-efficient
if/when an independent DOAS system type defined in future versions of
eQuest/DOE2.  

 

To Richard - creating an .inp snippet of simpler items like a schedules
or constructions becomes time-efficient the very first time you import
into another project, I promise ;)!  Once you have a smallish library of
re-useable constructions/schedules, you will be able to transform
multiple 5-to-30 minute exercises into a matter of a few clicks.  

 

To be clear, that's no reason to go cataloguing a library of everything
you "might" use in the future (that would quickly become
time-inefficient), but building your library from past projects as the
need arises is probably the balanced approach.  For example... "Ah, I
wish I had a schedule to describe this photocell/timer-controlled
exterior lighting... Wait!  I did that legwork for an earlier model!
*open/copy/paste/save/import*  Life is good!"  If your memory isn't
razor sharp, the other "ideal" time to catalogue .inp snippets would be
at the conclusion of a project, while the model is fresh in your mind,
to identify what items required research/legwork you'd like to avoid in
the future.

 

Generally - any development of DOE2/eQuest is welcome in my eyes, great
or small, and .  I trust where both "difficult" and "simple"
developments are on the table, the priorities of addressing fundamental
limitations against user interface improvements will be weighed
appropriately against the resources that become available.  I'm just
counting myself lucky to be modeling in an era that doesn't require
punch cards and ticker tape =)!

 

~Nick

 

 

 

NICK CATON, P.E.

SENIOR ENGINEER

 

Smith & Boucher Engineers

25501 west valley parkway, suite 200

olathe, ks 66061

direct 913.344.0036

fax 913.345.0617

www.smithboucher.com 

 

From: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez [mailto:pasha.pkconsulting at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:32 PM
To: Richard Auffermann
Cc: Nick Caton; Paul Riemer; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Saving Schedules to Library

 

If I had to bet on the developers including that function soon, I would
say you'd be luckier to bet that your grandkids will see that
feature...here's why:

 

The great developers of eQuest are by foundation HVAC designers---they
are not software developers or programmers by trade or even family tree.
;)

 

Therefore this is how it goes for most simulators who are using eQuest
today.   If I had the chance to talk to Jeff & Steve and guys I would be
more inclined to ask them to quickly develop a way that VRV systems and
DOAS systems can be easily modeled in DOE-2.2/eQuest, RATHER than ask
them to spend thier valuable development time creating a library
function in eQuest.

 

If you had your 'druthers' which would you choose?

 

That's also why some of the other basic functions in eQuest, (i.e. it
looks like a spreadsheet, but doesn't act like one...) are not further
developed or available either.  There is more than enough work to be
done to just get the guts of DOE-2.2 working to support the industry for
what it needs, rather that improve upon the administrative tools in
eQuest itself.

 

It's a funny situation, but remember that this whole building simulation
things is literally a new frontier that we are all discovering an we are
still only in it's infancy.

 

Pasha  :)

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Richard Auffermann <
rauffermann at dagherengineering.com> wrote:

Thanks Everyone,

 

I just spent some time generating a few schedules and testing things
out, this could really cut down time once everything is set up. While
this has impressive capabilities like bring in an entire second
building, it is overly complicated for doing the simple things, like
importing a schedule or construction that you will use for every model.

 

I just find it weird and a bit of a tease to have the 'Save to Library'
option present but not actually usable, are they ever going to include
that functionality? 

 

Richard Auffermann

Design Engineer

DAGHER ENGINEERING, PLLC

29 Broadway, New York, NY 10006

T. 212.480.2591 x122 <tel:212.480.2591%20x122> 

F. 212.480.2654

rauffermann at dagherengineering.com

www.dagherengineering.com <http://www.dagherengineering.com/> 

 

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From: Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton at smithboucher.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 1:25 PM
To: Paul Riemer; Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; Richard Auffermann 


Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org

Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Saving Schedules to Library 

 

The import function really is the cat's meow ;).  It's a great
timesaver, even if you do need to break out your text editor (once
only!).

 

See attached thread from a while ago where I walk everyone through the
process, and touch on the possibilities.  

 

Starting a personal collection of .inp snippets (schedules, equipment,
constructions, and so on) is a major mile marker on the path to becoming
a great eQuest modeler - welcome to the club =).

 

~Nick



 

NICK CATON, P.E.

SENIOR ENGINEER

 

Smith & Boucher Engineers

25501 west valley parkway, suite 200

olathe, ks 66061

direct 913.344.0036

fax 913.345.0617

www.smithboucher.com <http://www.smithboucher.com/>  

 

From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Paul Riemer
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:07 PM
To: 'Pasha Korber-Gonzalez'; Richard Auffermann
Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Saving Schedules to Library

 

Collectively, we have previously suggested to create snippet text.inp
files and then use the Import command rather than copy paste within a
text editor.   So you might have a library of inp files for things like
constructions, schedules, hourly reports, and utility rates (but you can
reference saved ones within the wizard too).  Of course some things are
order dependent like your OA source system being ahead of your
destination system so if you want a DOAS snippet, you may need to
manually place that within in the project .inp file.

 

If you like having an inp snippet library then you might also try
carrying the parametric run description (prd) file from project to
project.

 

Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP 

DUNHAM

 

From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Pasha
Korber-Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:36 AM
To: Richard Auffermann
Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Saving Schedules to Library

 

At this point in time....Yes, that is the best that we can do as far as
I know.   I had a client once who told me they were using, or pulling in
thier own company's "library" data info, but I don't know if this was in
the formal sense of using the Libraries in eQuest or if they created a
seprate file that could be read by thier eQuest files to pull in the
equipment info they wanted.

 

The only way I know of and use right now is the copy paste method in the
input file....

 

Pasha

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Richard Auffermann <
rauffermann at dagherengineering.com> wrote:

I am generating schedules for my model and was hoping to save them so I
do not have to recreate them all the time. There is an option to "Save
to Library" but it is greyed out and cannot be selected. I looked in the
archive and the only emails on this topic say that you can only save the
text from the input file and copy this into new models. Is this the best
we can do?

 

Richard Auffermann

Design Engineer

DAGHER ENGINEERING, PLLC

29 Broadway, New York, NY 10006

T. 212.480.2591 x122 <tel:212.480.2591%20x122> 

F. 212.480.2654

rauffermann at dagherengineering.com

www.dagherengineering.com <http://www.dagherengineering.com/> 

 

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