[Equest-users] building shade effect (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Eurek, John S NWO]

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It is all up to interpretation.  The key to interpreting the information is to first know what you want the information to say, then find the data to back it up.

If you want to sell the solar shades, focus on the reduction of solar radiation. (Truth: A small part of the whole)
If you want to talk the architect out of it, highlight that it only saves 1%. (Truth: Energy savings comes from having many small energy savings methods working together.)

1 important question - How much does the architect like the solar shade?

If the solar shades are just an option, the next step is to do a life cycle cost analysis.  You already have the energy model which is the hardest part.  If you can find the cost of the solar shades and energy costs you could do it in 20 minutes or less.  

If the solar shades are his pet, it won't be too hard to find numbers telling him how wonderful they are.

*his/hers
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From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of R B
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] building shade effect

Have not followed the thread in detail - but here are some things I have found about windows - first off not a whole lot of saving at the yearly-building level. If you look at the peak breakdown for a window - the U-value related conductance is 2/3rds vs the solar radiation (1/3rd) - atleast for the one model that I was looking at. As others have noted, almost 40-50% of the energy consumption is from lights/plug loads.
 
You might want to look at just the perimeter zones and see what happens to the energy consumption reduction in just those zones?
 
You can also look at just the LS-D reports to see what the % savings are. Sometimes it helps in saying that reductions are x% of the cooling load (without considering the HVAC inefficiencies) - which will be a higher number.
 


 
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com> wrote:


	Feeling confident in your modeling approach is very much important, but before running deep into alternate methods, I would seek perspective on what % improvement is even feasible.  Perhaps a 1% net improvement is quite impressive, all things considered?  Considering static shades can be simultaneously helpful and harmful thermally over a year, a few iterations exploring different transmittance values may be enlightening.

	 

	Doing so, you might be able to establish a ceiling for maximum possible improvement with such shades, and suggest a more optimized exoskeleton spacing or similar.

	 

	There may also be a lesson in here about how to present results in a fashion that both informs and appeases the design team.  Perhaps the shades may not have an impressive net annual baseline % improvement, but significant thermal comfort and glare issues are averted, and cooling plant capacities can be lowered by slicing the summertime solar loads.... I would also caution to check the solar loads are indeed cutting down as anticipated if you aren't sure of your approach.

	  

	Best of luck!

	 

	~Nick

	 

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	From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Umesh Atre
	Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:30 AM
	To: Bobby Sy; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
	Subject: Re: [Equest-users] building shade effect

	 

	 

	Bob,

	What is the project location and how is the building oriented? Do these louvers run across the entire height of the building?

	If you have a heavily internal load dominated (office) building, the building skin effect might be minimal, but then again the shading design

	you have in this project looks pretty dense and assuming you have a need for cooling, my gut feeling is that 1% is on the lower side. 

	 

	 

	 

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	From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Sy
	Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:19 PM
	To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
	Subject: [Equest-users] building shade effect

	Hello everyone!

	 

	I am working on a project, a high rise office building. The architect added louvers as part of the design which I admire for sophistication. Attached is a picture that shows the louvers outside for shading. But, when I did the initial run, the effect of the louvers is only around 1% energy improvement from the baseline.

	 

	Please let me know if there is a better way to do it in eQuest. What I did was to measure the louver thickness and proportioned it to the glass area that it covers. I put the fraction as "Transmittance:" in Building and Fixed Shades properties. Doe 2 help says: 


	TRANSMITTANCE


	Fraction of incident solar radiation that is transmitted by the shading surface. The default value is 0.0, which means the surface is opaque. A value greater than 0.0 represents a device that passes some solar radiation, such as a tree, lattice, or fabric. Using SHADE-SCHEDULE allows seasonal variation in transmittance. Daylighting calculation assumes TRANSMITTANCE = 0.

	 

	The design team quite find it hard to believe that the louvers have very minimal effect. I told them to consider the window to wall ratio (almost 60%) and that fact that they will be using a clear glass, even with these louvers partial UV rays still pass through the gaps that spreads allover the glass surface that adds to the heat load for air conditioning. Ive noticed to some of my other projects in tropical countries, building shades don't have much effect to energy efficiency. Did anyone encounter the same result with building shades? 

	 

	 

	Thanks,

	 

	Bob


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