[Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?

Steve Jacobs sjacobseng at gmail.com
Thu Oct 31 11:07:08 PDT 2013


Does anyone know the timeline for the DOE2.3 release?

On 10/31/2013 11:06 AM, Nick Caton wrote:
>
> I'd like to briefly share a caution with respect to "data centers" in 
> the 3.65 wizards as passed on to me by J. J. Hirsch.
>
> If you select specific building types for your shells (such as 
> hospitals), you will have the option to define "computer server" and 
> "IT equipment" for your space use allocations later in the shell 
> definition screens.  Doing so will in turn will tell the wizards to 
> call for a default "data center hvac" system.  This is all something 
> to AVOID, as they're features of DOE2.3 which shouldn't be appearing 
> (yet) in eQuest.
>
> On a related point, under specific circumstances you may see the 
> option to tick a box that reads "Has a supply plenum" in the zone 
> names and characteristics screen.  This will define underfloor supply 
> plenums (I observed this in the 3D view at one point), which are also 
> "leaked" features of the DOE2.3 wizards that should be avoided at present.
>
> If you run into these things, I advise avoiding them entirely. I 
> personally ran into some rough wizard crashes that pushed me to 
> re-start a project in 3.64.
>
> Mr. Hirsch has shared his team intends to clean up these "leaked" 
> features and to update the 3.65 install file posted online.  I'm not 
> sure if/when we'll get a heads up that that has (or already has) 
> happened, but in any case if you are choosing to use 3.65 for any new 
> project I'd strongly recommend ensuring you are working with the most 
> recent build available -- check the posting dates in the name of your 
> install file against what's currently available on the doe2 website.
>
> Best regards,
>
> ~Nick
>
> cid:489575314 at 22072009-0ABB**
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>
> *NICK CATON, P.E.*
>
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> *From:*equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim 
> Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:53 AM
> *To:* R B; eQUEST Users List
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?
>
> I haven't used 3.65 that much, but I like the new airside summary and 
> .sim viewer, they are quite a bit easier to use.  You can also batch 
> plot your reports, which will save a lot of time for LEED submittals.  
> The other thing I noticed from my first real attempt at 3.65 the 
> building shade definition.  You can now use polygons for building 
> shades.  This will come in handy on occasion.  I haven't seen big 
> differences in modeling capabilities, but the interface improvements 
> are appreciated.
>
> Tim
>
> >>> R B <slv3sat at gmail.com <mailto:slv3sat at gmail.com>> 10/31/2013 8:42 
> AM >>>
>
> I am just now finishing up with a project using the new version - 
> haven't come across anything different (could be that none of the 
> updates are relevant to my project). Could you please describe some of 
> the nice features that you mention?
>
> Here is the stuff that looked different at the wizard level (haven't 
> used it) -
>
> 1. Something about data center in the wizard - I think it helps with 
> data center modelling? Also allows the location of thermostat in the 
> zone vs return air
>
> 2. Humidity can be set at the wizard level.
>
> 3. Allows water side economizer input
>
> 4. A database related button at the zone level?
>
> Don't think I saw anything new in the detailed level.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Rohini
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Tim Johnson <timj at ctagroup.com 
> <mailto:timj at ctagroup.com>> wrote:
>
> Hopefully these bugs can be worked out. There are some nice features 
> with the new version, but with the autocad issues and the hourly 
> report issues, I am with you, Brian. Jeff, I appreciate the update. We 
> will be looking for the updates.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> *Tim Johnson*
> Mechanical Engineer
> o208.336.4900  <tel:208.336.4900>  | d208.577.5645  <tel:208.577.5645>
>   
>
> >>> Brian Smith <brians at murraypc.com <mailto:brians at murraypc.com>> 
> 10/30/2013 10:49 AM >>>
>
> Nathan's suggestion is the only one that I have been able to make 
> work. It should be easier than this. I have tried re-installing and 
> running in compatibility mode without much luck, backsaving and even 
> saving as a .dxf, but the layer list continually remains empty after 
> supposedly uploading. Might sit this update out unless I'm losing out 
> on something huge
>
> Regards
>
> Brian Smith, Mechanical Design Engineer
>
> Murray & Associates, P.C.
>
> T/907.780.6151 <tel:907.780.6151> F/907.780.6182 <tel:907.780.6182>
>
> www.murraypc.com <http://www.murraypc.com>
>
> *From:*Nathan Miller [mailto:nathanm at rushingco.com 
> <mailto:nathanm at rushingco.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:46 PM
> *To:* Tim Johnson; 'Bruce Easterbrook'; 'Nick Caton'; 
> ssavich at systemswestengineers.com <mailto:ssavich at systemswestengineers.com>
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>; brians at murraypc.com 
> <mailto:brians at murraypc.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?
>
> We have had the same issue, absolutely no success in getting an 
> autoCAD file to show up in 3.65 despite multiple attempts at file 
> format, file simplification, etc.
>
> So far we have resorted to creating the building geometry in 3.64 and 
> importing that into a "blank" 3.65 project. It is an awkward 
> work-around at best.
>
> *Nathan Miller **-****PE, LEED^® AP BD+C, CEM*
>
> /Mechanical Engineer/Senior Energy Analyst /
>
> *RUSHING*| *D*206-788-4577 <tel:206-788-4577> |*O*206-285-7100 
> <tel:206-285-7100>
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> *www.rushingco.com <http://www.rushingco.com/>*
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> 
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim 
> Johnson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2013 2:24 PM
> *To:* 'Bruce Easterbrook'; 'Nick Caton'; 
> ssavich at systemswestengineers.com <mailto:ssavich at systemswestengineers.com>
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>; brians at murraypc.com 
> <mailto:brians at murraypc.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?
>
> Did anyone come up with a solution for this issue? It doesn't seem to 
> be an issue with origin, file complexity, or AutoCAD version. If I use 
> AutoCAD 2014 it tells me I have an invalid file version. Older 
> versions act like they are working, but the layer list is empty. It 
> doesn't matter where I set my origin or how I set up the AutoCAD 
> files. I use a separate eQUEST layer for all my new model imports as 
> previously described. Could this be an issue with the installation? I 
> have eQUEST 3.64 installed on my machine as well and the file import 
> works just fine. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> *Tim Johnson, PE, BEMP, LEED AP*
> Mechanical Engineer
> o208.336.4900  <tel:208.336.4900>  | d208.577.5645  <tel:208.577.5645>
>
> >>> "Steven Savich" <ssavich at systemswestengineers.com 
> <mailto:ssavich at systemswestengineers.com>> 10/10/2013 9:31 AM >>>
>
> I use basically the same process to set up my CAD file for import. 
> Can't stress enough how much time & headache you can save yourself in 
> the Wizard CAD import process by taking some extra time up front to do 
> exactly what Bruce describes below, especially resetting coordinates 
> and making an equest layer.
>
> If I'm working on a building with multiple floors that have different 
> footprints or zone types/sizes, I also consolidate all of the zone 
> outlines in one autocad file, with a separate layer for each floor, 
> and match up the origin points.
>
> Steven
>
> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> 
> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Bruce Easterbrook
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:41 PM
> *To:* Nick Caton
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>; brians at murraypc.com 
> <mailto:brians at murraypc.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?
>
> Ditto, AutoCad is getting more complicated and the way it is used is 
> much different than a decade ago. I always double check the origin of 
> the AutoCad drawing and reset it to 0,0. I also set eQuest to 0,0 as 
> well. File sizes can be huge. I always make an eQuest layer in AutoCad 
> to simplify the co-ordinates and snap points, just a line diagram. On 
> big files I will dump everything except the layer I created. When 
> equest was created the CAD files were 500k, now they run 5M to 15M or 
> more, 70 layers, xRefs. I don't think eQuest was set up to get whacked 
> like that. It is just like an excel box when the number is too big, 
> you just get number symbols. AutoCad files used to be slim and trim, 
> it amazed me what was on a drawing and how little file space it took 
> on the hard drive, this is not the case now. A big key is matching the 
> origins on both programs. For me the bottom left of the building or 
> buildings is always 0,0. There was an inquiry a week or so ago about a 
> second building import overlaying the original building. Same problem. 
> eQuest allows you to manipulate the origins. You can set other 
> buildings down where you want if you pay attention. Computers have 
> zero intelligence. They do what you tell then, they have limitations. 
> If it doesn't fit in the box things explode in unintended ways.
> Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng
> Abode Engineering
>
> On 09/10/2013 5:21 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
>
>     I've had good luck so far with a 3.65 project currently
>     importing... 6 different CAD references... more to come however.
>
>     When you import a new file, are the origin coordinates wildly off?
>     If that is the issue, your "invisible" reference might appear far
>     on the periphery if you zoom way out. I did notice that occurring
>     a few times in this project (although this issue happened with
>     previous versions of eQuest) and corrected to match the
>     coordinates of previous imports.
>
>     I have no idea exactly what causes this behavior & how to prevent
>     it in the first place. Still, to sync coordinates I think the
>     easiest way is when you first see the prompt on locating x/y
>     coordinates for a new import, the CAD file name in that same
>     dialog is a dropdown you can toggle to view the other imports you
>     already have. By reference you can edit/correct the new file's
>     settings to match the others.
>
>     Hope that helps!
>
>     ~Nick
>
>     *NICK CATON, P.E.*
>
>     SENIOR ENGINEER
>
>     Smith & Boucher Engineers
>
>     25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
>
>     olathe, ks 66061
>
>     direct 913.344.0036 <tel:913.344.0036>
>
>     fax 913.345.0617 <tel:913.345.0617>
>
>     www.smithboucher.com <http://www.smithboucher.com>__
>
>     *From:*Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. [mailto:poleary1969 at gmail.com]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013 3:25 PM
>     *To:* brians at murraypc.com <mailto:brians at murraypc.com>
>     *Cc:* Nick Caton; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>     <mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] 3.65 - new feature?
>
>     any difference if using a different autocad version to import?
>     2004, 2007, 2011? 2004 had always worked best for me since it was
>     less complicated than newer versions.
>
>     On 10/9/13 12:19 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
>
>     In the new format I have been having trouble uploading a CAD
>     drawing for a custom footprint. I'll go through the normal process
>     of uploading the CAD, hit apply to add the CAD drawing background,
>     and nothing will show up. I check the layer visibility and no
>     layers are shown to check or uncheck. So I'll try to add a drawing
>     again, same result or just outright freeze of eQuest. Anyone
>     experiencing these problems
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Brian Smith, Mechanical Design Engineer
>
>     Murray & Associates, P.C.
>
>     T/907.780.6151 <tel:907.780.6151> F/907.780.6182 <tel:907.780.6182>
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