[Equest-users] Why Water Source Heat Pump is not considered as Renewable Energy in LEED rating system?

David Peterson dave at bluecamas.ca
Tue Dec 30 09:30:06 PST 2014


You are correct Nathan. The energy efficiencies provided by ground or air source heat pumps should definitely be included in the mandatory LEED Prerequisite and optional Credit for "Energy Performance”, but the optional Credit “On-Site Renewable Energy” is reserved (with some qualifications) for only PV, Wind, Solar Thermal, Biofuel, Geothermal (deep earth), Hydro and Tidal.

The intent is that, as much as possible, duplicate recording of the same benefits in different Credits is avoided. 

David Peterson
AScT, LEEDap BD+C
Blue Camas Consulting Ltd.
757 W.18th Ave. Vancouver, BC, Canada
604 417-7028
bluecamas.ca




On Dec 30, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Nathan Miller <nathanm at rushingco.com> wrote:

> I would suggest that a ground-source heat pump is not fundamentally any different than an air-source heat pump (you could just as easily say a traditional heat pump extracts free heat from the air). Both use electricity to run compressors/refrigeration cycles to accept or reject heat to the ambient environment. It just so happens that ground-source heat pumps utilize a heat sink/source that is much more moderate in temperature year-round and thus realize higher efficiencies. At least in my mind that makes the GSHP a high-efficiency options, and certainly commendable, but not inherently renewable energy.
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> That is my best guess at the rationale. It certainly gets a bit fuzzy, especially if you start talking about taking advantage of true geothermal energy (that is high-temperature geologic features, not just stable ground temps).
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> Nathan Miller, PE, LEED AP BD+C – Mechanical Engineer/Senior Energy Analyst
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> From: Equest-users [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of YangMo
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> Subject: [Equest-users] Why Water Source Heat Pump is not considered as Renewable Energy in LEED rating system?
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> Hi all,
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> This question is not about eQUEST, but since in this group a lot of people are working for LEED consultant projects, I think it is a good place to ask this question. I have been working in U.S. for a lot of years and just came back to China recently. In China ground source heat pump and water source heat pump systems are very very popular, and they are considered as renewable energy, since they use free heat from the soil and water. But in LEED rating system, heat pump is not considered as renewable energy. Why? Is it because those system has side effect to the environment? 
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> Thanks!
> Mo Yang
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