[Bldg-sim] "Qualified" energy modeling tools for LEED NC v2.2

Zhai Chaoqin crithy at gmail.com
Fri Aug 1 08:13:08 PDT 2008


Do Type56 and TRNBuild refer to the same thing?

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Timothy McDowell <mcdowell at tess-inc.com>wrote:

> Chaoqin -
>
> There is not a CAD interface for Type56.  TRNBuild is a program that
> allows you to define your zones and enter the wall and window areas and
> define orientations and adjacencies of the walls, along with defining your
> internal gains, infiltration flows, ventialtions flows, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
> ----------------------------------
> Timothy McDowell
> Executive Vice President
> Thermal Energy System Specialists, LLC
> 2916 Marketplace Dr, Suite 104
> Madison, WI 53719
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zhai Chaoqin" <crithy at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, August 1, 2008 9:04
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] "Qualified" energy modeling tools for LEED NC v2.2
>
>
>
> David,
>
> I am not familiar with TRNBuild. Does it have a built-in CAD interface
> that one can draw a building? Can one define building surfaces by
> coordinates? Can one import a 2-D or 3-D CAD drawing? As I recall in
> Type56, one needs to pre-calculate the wall and window areas by
> orientation for each zone and input the area value into TRNSYS. I am not
> sure if this is still the case.
>
> Thanks,
> Chaoqin
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:43 AM, David Bradley <bradley at tess-inc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Chaoqin,
>  There are three parts to the geometry issue.
>
>  For internal radiation exchange, you are correct that TRNSYS is a
> non-geometrical model and that two surfaces do not have any knowledge of
> their mutual view factor. Like many of the other building models out
> there, TRNSYS uses a star-network in which each surface "radiates" to
> the air node and vice versa.
>
>  For external geometry, one defines orientations in the building
> processor (TRNBuild) and then defines corresponding surfaces (slope and
> azimuth) in the weather data reader. Solar radiation from a particular
> weather data reader surface is then linked to the appropriate Type56
> inputs for each orientation defined in TRNBuild.
>
>  For external shading (including building self-shading), one places a
> series of wingwall and overhang components between the unshaded solar
> radiation calculated by the weather data reader and the building, in
> effect cutting down on the amount of radiation incident on the building.
> It is a flexible methodology but a bit of a cumbersome one. One of the
> main pushes in the current development of TRNSYS 17 is a much more
> automated methodology for doing building self-shading. The Type56
> developers are also working on a true view-factor methodology for
> internal radiation exchange within a zone.
>
> Kind regards,
>  David
>
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>
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>
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