[Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy

CARNEY Ronan Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au
Mon Feb 23 15:50:56 PST 2009


I also back Ban full heartily on all his points. We here are using
IES-VE in Australia to meet Australia's Green Star Credits. In addition
the IES support team in Melbourne is fantastic and always always do
their very best to solve/fix and review our models & problems.
 


Regards,
Ronan Carney

Electrical Engineer
Project Services
Department of Public Works,
Level 5B, 80 George St,
Brisbane. QLD4000
Ph: 3224 5983
Fax: 32246151
Email: ronan.carney at projectservices.qld.gov.au
Web: www.projectservices.qld.gov.au






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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2009 6:31 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy

Varkie,
  IES-VE is a great program to use for energy simulations and
qualifies for LEED simulations (EA Credit 1). Why use IES-VE? IES-VE
is very good for in-depth analysis of HVAC systems and their controls
(not strong on the water side, but very good on the air side). Also,
IES-VE creates great outputs (large selection, nice graphs, charts,
and more). Also, IES-VE creates an actual 3-D model that is nice to
have to visualize the actual building.

As far as Revit to IES plug-in, this is a different story. I have
found it easier to take 2D Cad files and extrude the DXF files. This
creates a much cleaner model that is much easier to change later. The
Revit Plug-in will work, but the Revit model must be drawn perfectly
with no errors. Also, the Revit model might need some tweaking before
converting to IES (I.E. if the Revit model has a columns in the middle
of a room that are surrounded by walls (common), then IES-VE will
recognize this as a hole in the model).

Next, IES also has a great support staff. If you run into any
problems, they are easy to contact and respond pretty quickly with the
solution.

Finally, IES-VE can be used for more than just energy simulations.
Detailed daylighting analysis, CFD analysis, regular lighting/glare
analysis, and more can all be done within IES.

Hope this helps.

Ben Jordan, E.I.T
Burt, Hill
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:13:19 +1000
> From: "CARNEY Ronan" <Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
> To: "Stirling Walkes" <Swalkes at smseng.com>,     "Varkie C Thomas"
>        <thomasv at iit.edu>,      "Bldg-Sim"
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> I strongly advise you not to use this option. If Revit, looses a room,
it's likely that you'll not even notice it. I created a full model of a
50million project within Revit from the Architectural model. Loaded it
into IES and lost 75% of all rooms, that's over 200 rooms, all lost.
> My solution is, purchase the software, draw all model from sratch
within IES of Sketchup, Stay away from IES with Revit, it always falls
over or is incorrect or requires 3 or 4 times of repetitive data entry
e.g. construction properties.
>
> Kind Regards
> Ronan Carney
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of Stirling
Walkes
> Sent: Mon 23/02/2009 12:56 AM
> To: Varkie C Thomas; Bldg-Sim
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
>
>
> REVIT MEP comes with the IES VE load analysis built in. But I think
you need to have the full version to analyze the energy consumption
based on systems and lighting etc.
>
> I have found that as long as the spaces have been set up correctly by
the architect in Revit generating the geometry for the energy model is
done by Revit and takes a couple of minutes to determine interior vs
exterior walls/windows etc. (depending on the size of the building and
the capacity of the computer doing the calculations).  The calculations
will generate a room by room load calculation which can be imported back
to the model and allocated to the individual spaces.
>
> Vs doing an import of the Autocad drawing and tracing the shape,
locating windows etc.  Time savings can be significant.
>
> However, I have only yet used it for loads for equipment sizing and
not for an energy simulation.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> V. Stirling Walkes, P.Eng., LEED AP
> Partner
> SMS Engineering Ltd.
> 770 Bradford Street
> Winnipeg MB R3H 0N3 Canada
> phone: 204.775.0291
> fax: 204.772.2153
> Swalkes at smseng.com
>
>
>>>> Varkie C Thomas <thomasv at iit.edu> 2/21/2009 4:22 PM >>>
>
>
> I have been asked by an ME/AE firm to check out IES-VE Energy.  This
firm makes extensive use of the Revit programs for design.
>
> I downloaded the trial version of  'IES-VE-Ware/Toolkits 5.9 Setup'
and tried to run/install it and I got the following message:  "You
require an installation of Google Stetchup 6, etc., to install VE-Ware"
>
> I downloaded 'IES<VE>5.9 SketchUp Plug-in Setup' and tried to install
this and got the following message:  "You must have a copy of
IES<Virtual Environment>5.9 installed before attempting to install this
plug-in"
>
> I am interested in trying out IES-VE Energy component only.  Is there
a trial version for this?  Is there a tutorial that I can refer to when
trying to learn how to use this program?
>
> The IES-VE website shows 2 engineering clients - Syska Hennessy and
Vanderweil Engineering.  How many building projects have been analyzed
with IES-VE for energy performance by US AE firms?
>
> Why use IES-VE-Energy when DOE2.1E and eQUEST are free and TRACE and
HAP are inexpensive with excellent customer support?
>
> Is there statistical data by type & size of project, on the energy
programs used in the US for code compliance and LEED certification?
>
> Varkie Thomas
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:09:55 -0600
> From: "Stirling Walkes" <Swalkes at smseng.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
> To: "Varkie C Thomas" <thomasv at iit.edu>,        "Bldg-Sim"
>        <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>,       "CARNEY Ronan"
>        <Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au>
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> Thanks for the tip Ronan.  Did you create a room schedule within Revit
to monitor rooms and loads within rooms to ensure that they have been
carried over properly?  Or have you found that it isn't worth the time?
>
> Regards,
>
> Stirling
>
>
>>>> "CARNEY Ronan" <Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au> 2/22/2009
5:13 PM >>>
> I strongly advise you not to use this option. If Revit, looses a room,
it's likely that you'll not even notice it. I created a full model of a
50million project within Revit from the Architectural model. Loaded it
into IES and lost 75% of all rooms, that's over 200 rooms, all lost.
> My solution is, purchase the software, draw all model from sratch
within IES of Sketchup, Stay away from IES with Revit, it always falls
over or is incorrect or requires 3 or 4 times of repetitive data entry
e.g. construction properties.
>
> Kind Regards
> Ronan Carney
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of Stirling
Walkes
> Sent: Mon 23/02/2009 12:56 AM
> To: Varkie C Thomas; Bldg-Sim
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
>
>
> REVIT MEP comes with the IES VE load analysis built in. But I think
you need to have the full version to analyze the energy consumption
based on systems and lighting etc.
>
> I have found that as long as the spaces have been set up correctly by
the architect in Revit generating the geometry for the energy model is
done by Revit and takes a couple of minutes to determine interior vs
exterior walls/windows etc. (depending on the size of the building and
the capacity of the computer doing the calculations).  The calculations
will generate a room by room load calculation which can be imported back
to the model and allocated to the individual spaces.
>
> Vs doing an import of the Autocad drawing and tracing the shape,
locating windows etc.  Time savings can be significant.
>
> However, I have only yet used it for loads for equipment sizing and
not for an energy simulation.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> V. Stirling Walkes, P.Eng., LEED AP
> Partner
> SMS Engineering Ltd.
> 770 Bradford Street
> Winnipeg MB R3H 0N3 Canada
> phone: 204.775.0291
> fax: 204.772.2153
> Swalkes at smseng.com
>
>
>>>> Varkie C Thomas <thomasv at iit.edu> 2/21/2009 4:22 PM >>>
>
>
> I have been asked by an ME/AE firm to check out IES-VE Energy.  This
firm makes extensive use of the Revit programs for design.
>
> I downloaded the trial version of  'IES-VE-Ware/Toolkits 5.9 Setup'
and tried to run/install it and I got the following message:  "You
require an installation of Google Stetchup 6, etc., to install VE-Ware"
>
> I downloaded 'IES<VE>5.9 SketchUp Plug-in Setup' and tried to install
this and got the following message:  "You must have a copy of
IES<Virtual Environment>5.9 installed before attempting to install this
plug-in"
>
> I am interested in trying out IES-VE Energy component only.  Is there
a trial version for this?  Is there a tutorial that I can refer to when
trying to learn how to use this program?
>
> The IES-VE website shows 2 engineering clients - Syska Hennessy and
Vanderweil Engineering.  How many building projects have been analyzed
with IES-VE for energy performance by US AE firms?
>
> Why use IES-VE-Energy when DOE2.1E and eQUEST are free and TRACE and
HAP are inexpensive with excellent customer support?
>
> Is there statistical data by type & size of project, on the energy
programs used in the US for code compliance and LEED certification?
>
> Varkie Thomas
>
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> Thanks for the responses and telephone calls.  Most of them were sent
to me directly.  The general picture I got was that TRACE700 does a
better job of importing Revit data than IESVE.  Importing and other
problems can be fixed.  Is the IESVE program in metric only?.
> Varkie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stirling Walkes <Swalkes at smseng.com>
> Date: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:11 am
> Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
> To: Varkie C Thomas <thomasv at iit.edu>, Bldg-Sim
<bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>, CARNEY Ronan
<Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au>
>
>> Thanks for the tip Ronan. Did you create a room schedule within
>> Revit to monitor rooms and loads within rooms to ensure that they
>> have been carried over properly? Or have you found that it isn't
>> worth the time?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stirling
>>
>>
>> >>> "CARNEY Ronan" <Ronan.CARNEY at projectservices.qld.gov.au>
>> 2/22/2009 5:13 PM >>>
>> I strongly advise you not to use this option. If Revit, looses a
>> room, it's likely that you'll not even notice it. I created a full
>> model of a 50million project within Revit from the Architectural
>> model. Loaded it into IES and lost 75% of all rooms, that's over
>> 200 rooms, all lost.
>> My solution is, purchase the software, draw all model from sratch
>> within IES of Sketchup, Stay away from IES with Revit, it always
>> falls over or is incorrect or requires 3 or 4 times of repetitive
>> data entry e.g. construction properties.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Ronan Carney
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org on behalf of Stirling
>> WalkesSent: Mon 23/02/2009 12:56 AM
>> To: Varkie C Thomas; Bldg-Sim
>> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE Energy
>>
>>
>> REVIT MEP comes with the IES VE load analysis built in. But I
>> think you need to have the full version to analyze the energy
>> consumption based on systems and lighting etc.
>>
>> I have found that as long as the spaces have been set up correctly
>> by the architect in Revit generating the geometry for the energy
>> model is done by Revit and takes a couple of minutes to determine
>> interior vs exterior walls/windows etc. (depending on the size of
>> the building and the capacity of the computer doing the
>> calculations). The calculations will generate a room by room load
>> calculation which can be imported back to the model and allocated
>> to the individual spaces.
>>
>> Vs doing an import of the Autocad drawing and tracing the shape,
>> locating windows etc. Time savings can be significant.
>>
>> However, I have only yet used it for loads for equipment sizing
>> and not for an energy simulation.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> V. Stirling Walkes, P.Eng., LEED AP
>> Partner
>> SMS Engineering Ltd.
>> 770 Bradford Street
>> Winnipeg MB R3H 0N3 Canada
>> phone: 204.775.0291
>> fax: 204.772.2153
>> Swalkes at smseng.com
>>
>>
>> >>> Varkie C Thomas <thomasv at iit.edu> 2/21/2009 4:22 PM >>>
>>
>>
>> I have been asked by an ME/AE firm to check out IES-VE Energy.
>> This firm makes extensive use of the Revit programs for design.
>>
>> I downloaded the trial version of 'IES-VE-Ware/Toolkits 5.9
>> Setup' and tried to run/install it and I got the following
>> message: "You require an installation of Google Stetchup 6, etc.,
>> to install VE-Ware"
>>
>> I downloaded 'IES<VE>5.9 SketchUp Plug-in Setup' and tried to
>> install this and got the following message: "You must have a copy
>> of IES<Virtual Environment>5.9 installed before attempting to
>> install this plug-in"
>>
>> I am interested in trying out IES-VE Energy component only. Is
>> there a trial version for this? Is there a tutorial that I can
>> refer to when trying to learn how to use this program?
>>
>> The IES-VE website shows 2 engineering clients - Syska Hennessy
>> and Vanderweil Engineering. How many building projects have been
>> analyzed with IES-VE for energy performance by US AE firms?
>>
>> Why use IES-VE-Energy when DOE2.1E and eQUEST are free and TRACE
>> and HAP are inexpensive with excellent customer support?
>>
>> Is there statistical data by type & size of project, on the energy
>> programs used in the US for code compliance and LEED certification?
>>
>> Varkie Thomas
>>
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