[Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Exhaust Air Energy Recovery/Number ofBaseline Fan Systems

James V. Dirkes II P.E. jvd2pe at tds.net
Mon Jan 12 07:36:08 PST 2009


Dear Ulrik,
 
My understanding of G3.1.2.10 is this:
If the actual fan system exceeds 5K CFM (and the other criteria listed in
that paragraph), you must use energy recovery in your energy model for the
baseline.
 
You might choose to model four 5K systems as a single system as long as the
occupancy, internal loads, etc. are essentially the same.  This will not
affect the actual system, of course, but may save modeling time, and will
not affect calculation results.
 
I combine HVAC system in my models when the operational and other criteria
are the same.  There is no accuracy benefit to splitting them and it costs
valuable computational time (mine, too!)   For example, if a high rise
building has a separate air handler on each of 20 floors, and all floors are
office occupancy with the same lighting, computers and schedule ... I model
it as a single air handler.  Typically, the ground floor and top (roof)
floor are kept separate. 
 
Of course, one of the conveniences of modeling a building before it's in
actual operation is that you can make these types of simplifying
assumptions.  That doesn't work when you must match the modeling
calculations to actual energy bills!
 

The Building Performance Team
James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP
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Grand Rapids, MI 49504
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Ulrik
Welle-Strand Horn
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:15 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Exhaust Air Energy Recovery/Number
ofBaseline Fan Systems


Dear All,

I am curious how many systems or fan systems most of you usually create when
you model baseline systems? 

I am particularly interested because under point G3.1.2.10 - Exhaust Air
Energy Recovery, one only has to apply an energy recovery device if a single
fan system is larger than 5000 cfm. I have not seen anywhere (please direct
me if there is indeed prescriptions for this in an ASHRAE publication)
guidelines for how many fan systems one has to model in a baseline building?
It seems that if I have a building with let's say 15000 cfm supply air, I am
free to model this building's baseline system with either 2 or 4 fan
systems? Then, if I model this building with 4 fan systems (each system
sized equally at 3750 cfm), I would not have to use energy recovery in the
baseline building, while if I choose to model the baseline with 2 fan
systems (each sized equally at 7500 cfm), then I must use energy recovery.

I would also appreciate input on a typical size of a fan system. If I have a
building that has a supply design air flow requirement of 100,000 cfm, how
many fan systems would typically be modeled? I am not too familiar with HVAC
design, and I tried looking for clues at manufacturers' websites but only
Carrier indicated an upper threshold of about 150 tons for their coils. Does
anyone have an experience with a typical airflow for a very hot climate over
a 150 ton coil? I am looking at System 8 for my baseline building, and I
imagine that for a large building (35 stories), several coils will be
installed. I am using Trace to do the energy model, and for some reason, the
more systems I model the higher the energy usage, keeping everything else
constant. Therefore I am interested in modeling several fan systems, if that
is common design practice.

Lastly, I would like to confirm that the design of the baseline system
beyond what is stipulated in Appendix G should comply with common practice?
In particular, numbers and sizes of systems does not seem to be much
discussed in Appendix G. Please let me know if you share my approach in
applying common design practices to size and locate equipment beyond
Appendix G prescriptions.

I appreciate any feedback you might have on these issues.

Faithfully yours,


Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn 
Sustainability Engineer


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