[Bldg-sim] Automatic Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision Question

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I actually take the credit for occ. sensor in both the baseline and proposed
case for such spaces that have a mandatory requirement for occupancy sensor
(e.g. classroom). The advantage is your total energy consumption is slightly
less, so when you are in border line cases where you are ever so slightly
less than the required percentage points for the next level of points it
helps. Much more advantageous to do it this way when you are doing a
school/university building.
-Rohini

Rohini Brahme, Ph.D, LEED AP
Building energy analysis, tool development, and training
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com> wrote:

>  The hard and fast rule I follow is that baseline LPD’s are never to be
> messed with.  Any and all credit taken for lighting controls is a deduction
> of LPD (or sufficiently documented schedule adjustment, I suppose) in the
> proposed case.
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> It can get confusing, but in specific spaces (i.e. classrooms), 9.4.1.2 may
> require occ. sensors.  In such a case, I don’t take a credit in the baseline
> (see hard/fast rule above), but instead remove the credit otherwise taken
> for that space in the proposed case.
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> ~Nick
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> *From:* Jaigath Chandraprakash [mailto:cjaigath at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 04, 2010 8:32 PM
> *To:* Nick Caton; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision
> Question
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> Thank you very much Nick. I really appreciate your help on this.
>
>
> I really got confused with this when I got a commnet recently saying that
> the "baseline case per section 9.4.1.2 were not modeled" and was asked to
> revised the baseline. So I ended up with no savings. This is in conflict
> with Table G3.1.6 that you have pointed out which says that No automatic
> lighting controls shall be modeled in the baseline building design.
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> Does it mean that I am wrong when I applied also 10% savings to my
> baseline? This is where I got confused since 9.4.1.1.b also mentions
> occupant sensor that shall turn lighting off within 30 mins of occupant
> leaving the space.
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> *From:* Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
> *To:* Jaigath Chandraprakash <cjaigath at yahoo.com>;
> bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Sent:* Mon, October 4, 2010 10:38:08 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision
> Question
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>  Jaigath,
>
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>
> Appendix G allows us to take credit for automatic controls *in addition to
> * (beyond) what’s required in 9.4.1 for minimum compliance.  One of the
> options here is to have programmable (time-of-day) shutoff for interior
> lighting circuits, and you can infer from between Table G3.1 and G3.2 of
> Appendix G that baseline models are taken to feature only such timeclock
> controls for automatic shutoff.  Further, it’s taken that the lighting
> scheduling being kept identical between the proposed and baseline adequately
> reflects the minimum requirements, so you aren’t supposed to try to
> explicitly model the programmable shutoff.
>
>
>
> If you have occupancy sensors throughout a building which only requires
> programmable shutoff, that’s an example of having automatic controls beyond
> what 9.4.1 requires – and you’d get to take 10% off your proposed LPD in all
> spaces where such short-term shutoff isn’t already required (per following
> section 9.4.1.2).
>
>
>
> Note Table G3.2 also has a corresponding distinction between building
> smaller than and larger than 5,000ft2 – offering more credit for buildings
> using a means of automatic shutoff where no such controls are even minimally
> required.
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>
> ~Nick
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> *From:* bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Jaigath
> Chandraprakash
> *Sent:* Monday, October 04, 2010 9:01 AM
> *To:* bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] Automatic Lighting Shutoff Mandatory Provision
> Question
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> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I am confused on the mandatory provision 9.4.1.1 which states that building
> larger than 5000 ft2 shall have automatic control device. Does it mean
> that mid-rise and high rise building cannot claim for credit in occupancy
> sensors shown in Table G3.2 because their GFA is more than 5000 ft2 and only
> small office can claim for this credit? I am sure I am not interpreting this
> section correct since from what I read, other modelers  are claiming for
> savings for buildings with more than 5000 ft2 area for occupancy sensors
> even if mandatory requirements states that this is required which means
> baseline building will also have occupancy sensors.
>
>
>
> Can someone correct me on this?
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> Thank you,
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> C. Jaigath
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