[Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating consumption
Nick Caton
ncaton at smithboucher.com
Thu Oct 6 10:44:14 PDT 2011
Whether the models already incorporate these loads in some fashion will
determine whether you need to add or subtract to illustrate the point.
Aaron's suggestion should be fairly straightforward:
* Save a copy of your proposed/baseline models as they are -
you'll reference them later.
* Either add the loads under discussion to both models or make
them distinct from other lighting/miscellaneous loads as appropriate. I
would intuitively use an additional line under space lighting inputs -
but keep in mind you're being told to report these as a process energy,
in LEED terms... I expect this is a matter of terminology for your
calculations.
* Space equipment loads and lighting loads will by default
reject wattage as sensible heat to the space and/or plenum in some
fraction. Modify if necessary. Defining these as a lighting load would
make inputs simpler if you desire to reject a percentage to plenum.
* Since this tangent came up recently on another thread: Note
that treating lighting input wattages as a 100% sensible heat load is
entirely appropriate for conventional lighting sources in a building.
Generally only a small fraction of input watts is converted into light
energy in our visible spectrum. Some (not most) LED solutions, green
lasers and oddball stars in the sky are exceptions to the rule in strict
terms of luminous efficacy, but even then it's a moot point unless
you're largely directing your lights outside a window - it's all
ultimately a heat load in your space.
* These loads should have unique scheduling assigned to match
your description/calculations
* The baseline and proposed loads should differ in magnitude per
your description/calculations
* When done, your models will reflect the savings targeted, and
these lights' effects on cooling/heating consumption. The models figure
out the heating/cooling impact stuff in the course of an ordinary
simulation
* When done, set up a few parametric runs in any one model: Use
that "based on another file" parametric run option, and simply reference
your proposed/baseline models (.inp) with and without the
added/re-defined loads. A parametric run will result in reports that
show all consumptions for all 4 iterations side-by-side. Should be a
perfect illustration to include with your response.
~Nick
NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER
Smith & Boucher Engineers
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From: Dahlstrom, Aaron [mailto:ADahlstrom at in-posse.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:55 AM
To: Ashraf Khan; 'Cheney'; Nick Caton
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating
consumption
Ashraf -
I believe it is acceptable for your "exceptional calculation" to
actually be an additional energy model case.
I agree that you are taking the right approach with respect to the CIR
mentioned.
Based on earlier correspondence I'm assuming you have provided adequate
documentation assuring the reviewer that your selected lighting power
reductions are justified.
Could you then incorporate these revised LPD numbers into an additional
case of the proposed model, done to the side?
This would give you an "exceptional savings", incorporating lighting
savings as well as potential cooling savings / heating increases...
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Ashraf Khan
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:35 AM
To: 'Cheney'; 'Nick Caton'
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating
consumption
Exceptional calculations performed for Residential building, LEED NC
V2.2. Interior lighting calculations performed based on the CIR dated on
3/23/2007.
As CIR states that all hard-wired lighting in living units that is shown
on the building plans should be modeled identically in the Baseline and
Proposed building simulations as shown in the plans. This lighting shall
be considered process energy. Also it states that credit can be taken
for an efficient lighting design in the living unit using the
Exceptional Calculations Methodology. It suggests the figures schedule
near 2 hours a day or less for hard-wired residential fixtures.
For an example in Bedroom baseline calculated as 2 W/sqft with occupancy
of 2 hours a day and for propose case 1 W/sqft with same 2 hours a days.
A similar calculation has performed for entire building and I achieved
40% savings in wattages.
Then reduction of wattage we are showing in Section 1.7 - Exceptional
Calculation Measure Summary. So leed reviewer is requesting to provide
heating impact on cooling and shown the calculations with zone wise and
to incorporate in energy model and Template.
Regards,
Ashraf
________________________________
From: Cheney [mailto:chenyu73 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:59 PM
To: Nick Caton
Cc: Ashraf Khan; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating
consumption
Hi Nick,
I can not agree with you more. Ashraf will have to answer why such 40%
reduction is not reflected in the original energy modeling.
The only divergence is the example with which you believe the appliances
fall into "plug loads" whereas I believe they could be "process one".
Again, it really depends on which LEED system (2009 or older version) we
are using. No process loads will be included in modeling under the old
LEED system. In another words, no penalty for heating due to reduced
process load. However, your methodology is accurate under the new LEED
since both plug load and process load should be involved in energy
modeling.
Regards,
Cheney
LinkedIN @ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b
<http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b>
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
wrote:
Good point Cheney!
I suppose I have a more general understanding that "exceptional
calculations" exist for when you have designed energy saving measures
which cannot be credited following 90.1/LEED "to the letter."
To use your example of improved appliance efficiencies, my intuition
would be to produce extra documentation/calculations to substantiate a
certain % reduction in installed plug loads, then I'd apply that
reduction to the proposed model. These calculations and a brief
description of how they were compiled and applied to the proposed model
would be uploaded and referenced alongside the modeling templates.
Perhaps my terminology is off and this is not really an "exceptional
calculation?"
But to clarify for the topic at hand, I suppose my response might best
include another query: what is this hard-wiring strategy and why isn't
it already in the model? It's possible an LPD reduction would not
adequately reflect whatever is really going on.
~Nick
NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER
Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
olathe, ks 66061
direct 913.344.0036
fax 913.345.0617
www.smithboucher.com <http://www.smithboucher.com>
From: Cheney [mailto:chenyu73 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:07 AM
To: Nick Caton
Cc: Ashraf Khan; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating
consumption
Well, my understanding is that exceptional calculation is used to
document meansres that may not be adequately modelled in a simulaiton
program. Some examples are lab exhaust system, appliance efficiencies in
high-rise residential building, etc. How do you define your hard-wired
lighting calculation from this point of view?
Remodeling with reduded LPD is necessary provided your hard-wired
lighting reduction affects internal heat gain and you would expect more
heating energy in this manner. I guess it is what the reviewer expect to
see unless you can prove him/her that your reduction will not trigger
heating/cooling energy variation.
Regards,
Cheney
LinkedIN @ http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b
<http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/yu-cheney-chen/27/637/72b>
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
wrote:
I think something is missing in the story here...
A reduction of lighting consumption is claimed to reduce heating
consumption?
As you say, lights are an internal heat source to some extent...
reducing the lighting energy consumed by a significant fraction should
cause a relative increase in heating and a reduction of cooling
energies, right? I'm going to assume the reviewer's vocabulary is
simply flipped around and this is the point they were trying to make:
Changing lighting should affect heating/cooling consumptions.
As to how you document this - It would seem simplest if you simply
worked your "exceptionally calculated" reduction back into the model.
>From your description I don't know exactly what your "hard-wiring"
strategy is that's chopping off 40%, but applying a factor to the space
LPD's may be a decent approach. You could then demonstrate before/after
results showing lighting/heating/cooling consumptions moving about by
setting up a parametric run and using those reports.
~Nick
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NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER
Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
olathe, ks 66061
direct 913.344.0036
fax 913.345.0617
www.smithboucher.com <http://www.smithboucher.com>
From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Ashraf Khan
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:03 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Bldg-sim] LEED EAC1 Exceptional calcs - heating consumption
I have performed Exceptional calculations in EAC1 credit for internal
hard-wired lighting. I achieved savings up to 40%.
In Preliminary review, I received below comment
"It is does not appear as if the reduction in heating consumption was
considered. Address the reduction in space heating and ensure the
consumption is appropriately reduced, and provide a revised template and
updated energy model output summaries reflecting the changes."
As light generates heating, so leed reviewer is requesting to provide
the heating consumption calculations and to achieve more savings as it
directly impact on cooling, even though calculations performed
exceptionally.
Could you please guide how to perform these heating consumption
calculations and how to incorporate in energy model and Template with
reference?
Thanks,
Ashraf Khan
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