[Bldg-sim] Car Parking Ventilation Fans

Jones, Christopher cjones at halsall.com
Fri Dec 19 07:50:01 PST 2014

That ruling seems crazy to me.  In cold climates, there is a heated make-up air system.  If you are allowed to claim 75% fan energy savings, then if follows that you would be allowed to claim 75% heating savings.  That can be huge in a large parkade.

I can’t imagine any building not using CO control in parking areas these days.  The baseline case should include CO control IMHO.

Christopher Jones, P.Eng.
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From: Bldg-sim [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Paul Riemer
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:59 AM
To: 'Fred Betz'; Sherif Farag; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Car Parking Ventilation Fans

The best recent relevant interpretation I could find on http://www.usgbc.org/leed-interpretations is dated April 2, 2014 and pasted below.

LEED Interpretation ID#10371  made on 04/02/2014

Prerequisite/Credit: EAp2 - Minimum energy performance
Rating System Family: Building design + construction
Rating System Version: v3 - LEED 2009

Clarification is requested regarding whether garage demand control ventilation may be modeled for credit. Garage Ventilation is not addressed by ASHRAE 90.1 – 2007, Appendix G, therefore if savings is claimed it must be modeled as an Exceptional Calculation Measure (ECM). Garage demand control ventilation is increasingly becoming standard practice in newly constructed buildings. In order to take credit for this measure as an ECM, it must be demonstrated that the proposed design goes beyond standard practice.

ECMs must be approved by the Rating Authority. As the Rating Authority for LEED projects, the GBCI will accept an ECM for garage demand control ventilation under the following circumstances:
1) Baseline case shall meet the requirements of ASHRAE 90.1-2010, Section Enclosed Parking Garage Ventilation. Baseline fan volume shall be based on the minimum required ASHRAE 62.1 parking ventilation rates of 0.75 cfm / square foot. Baseline system fan power shall be calculated at 0.3 watts per CFM.
2) Proposed case shall reflect the actual design. Evidence shall be provided documenting that demand control ventilation strategies are sufficient to automatically detect contaminant levels of concern in parking garages (Carbon Monoxide, Particulates, VOCs, etc. and NO2) and modulate airflow such that contaminant levels are maintained below specified contaminant concentration as identified in ASHRAE 62.1-2010 Addendum d. Evidence shall also be provided that contaminant sensors are placed in space in an appropriate manner for detection of contaminant in question and that the sensors be calibrated yearly.
3) If other activities occur in the garage area, the ventilation for these uses shall be in addition to garage vehicle ventilation.
4) Proposed case shall be modeled such that a minimum air flow of 0.05 cfm/square foot is maintained.
5) A narrative shall describe all Baseline and Proposed case assumptions included for this measure, and the calculation methodology used to determine the projected savings. The narrative and energy savings should be reported separately from the other efficiency measures in the LEED Form.
6) No more than a 75% fan energy savings shall be claimed for this measure.


Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP BD+C

From: Bldg-sim [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Fred Betz
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 4:37 PM
To: Sherif Farag; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Car Parking Ventilation Fans


I’ve received credit for this energy conservation measure from LEED reviewers as an exceptional calc, but the schedule you apply to the fan needs to be well thought out.

I’ve taken 50% credit through 95% fan power savings credit depending on the operating schedule. For example, a 24 hour hospital has 3 peak usage periods per day during shift changes.

LEED reviewers will push back on this measure, and have required me to show 3 similar projects nearby that don’t have the technology installed built in the last 5 years.

Good luck on this.


Fred Betz  PhD., LEED AP ®BD+C
Senior Sustainable
Design Consultant

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From: Sherif Farag [mailto:sherif.sabr at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:05 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
Subject: [Bldg-sim] Car Parking Ventilation Fans

Dear Modellers;
I am modelling a residential building with underground car park, the car parking will be mechanically ventilated via variable speed fans using ducted ventilation system to provide an air-change rate comply with ASHRAE 62.1-2007. Pollutant sensors (PS) are connected to BMS to control fans speed at parking floors to achieve ventilation recommended by ASHRAE 62.1.
Pollutant sensors locations and numbers have been determined to ensure that no part of the car park is located more than 25 meters from a sampling point, monitoring locations selected are considered worst-case within the car park area. And that each area which is serviced by a separate ventilation system has a separate monitoring point. In addition, one sampling point is provided at each of the entrances and exits of the car park. The monitoring will take place within the breathing zone between 1 and 1.8m above the floor and more than 0.1 m from walls or air conditioning equipment.
Based on the occupancy schedule of the project, it is assumed that the number of vehicles moving in the parking area will be minimal between 8:00 pm to 8:00 am, this means that the CO levels in this period will be less than 50 ppm -given the large parking areas and small number of cars using the garage during these hours- and based on the sequence of operation for this system, the fan speed will be reduced at least 50% for 12 hour.
The sequence of operation of this system will be as the following:
a)      Less than 25ppm, fan speed will be 1.5 ACH
b)      At 25ppm, fan speed will be 3 ACH
c)       Between 25ppm to 50 ppm, Fan speed will be 3 ACH to 6 ACH
d)      At 50ppm, fan speed will be 6 ACH

Feedback CO sensors will reduce the fan speed by at least 50% for 12 hours a day and hence the energy consumption will be reduced by at least 45% a day.

My questions are:
1) a)      Does the above sounds as an exceptional calculation (For me it is not standard practice and therefore can be done as an exceptional calculation)
b)    b)f the answer is YES, can I assume the saving is 45%

I will appreciate your feedback


Sherif Farag

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