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if that is right.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt'>Vamshi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt'>Just to clarify, DOE2 does NOT use steady state analysis. The =
main
difference in run time is due the different simulation techniques used =
in these
two programs. DOE2 uses sequential simulation technique while EnergyPlus =
uses
simultaneous simulation technique for loads, systems and plants. In DOE2
building zones, air handling systems and central plant equipment are =
simulated
sequentially with no feedback from one to the other while in EnergyPus =
all the elements
are integrated with proper feed backs and are solved simultaneously. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt'>Mahabir<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
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</span></font></div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
V=C3=A4mshi Gooj=C3=A9
[mailto:vamshi.gooje at gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January =
19, 2006
9:31 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim at gard.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> =
bhandari at fenestration.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [bldg-sim] =
EnergyPlus -
DOE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
Mahabir,<br>
The extended run time in EPlus could be due to transient analysis vs. =
steady
state in doe 2.<br>
Vamshi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmailquote><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>On 1/18/06, <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Mahabir
Bhandari</span></b> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bhandari at fenestration.com">bhandari at fenestration.com</a>&g=
t;
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Brian,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I think
one additional difference from uses' point of view, which is not =
reported in
this report, is simulation run time. It seems EnergyPlus takes 5-10 =
times
longer to complete a whole year simulations than DOE2. I was running a =
simple 5
story building with VAV system and it took me more than 40 minutes for =
annual
hourly simulations (1 hr time step) in EnergyPlus while eQuest could run =
the
same building in less than 5 minutes. I am interested in hearing from =
others on
the run time issue.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Mahabir
Bhandari</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
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<p><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Brian Fountain [mailto:<a
href=3D"mailto:bfountain at greensim.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bfountain at greensim.com</a>]
<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January =
18, 2006
12:12 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href=3D"mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bldg-sim at gard.com</a><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [bldg-sim] =
EnergyPlus -
DOE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>That is a big =
question.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>For a comparison of current energy =
simulation
software, you could look at Dru Crawley's paper comparing 20 =
tools:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Book Antiqua"'><a
href=3D"http://www.energytoolsdirectory.gov/pdfs/contrasting_the_capabili=
ties_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pdf"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.energytoolsdirectory.gov/pdfs/contrasting_th=
e_capabilities_of_building_energy_performance_simulation_programs_v1.0.pd=
f</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Main differences between DOE and
EnergyPlus: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>1)</span></font>=
<font
size=3D1 color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>DOE
calculates the space loads for each hour then calculates the system and =
plant
response for each hour. EnergyPlus simultaneously solves the loads =
the
system/plant response for each timestep.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>2)</span></font>=
<font
size=3D1 color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>DOE
has a fixed 1 hour timestep, EnergyPlus has a variable timestep (down to =
1
minute?).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>3)</span></font>=
<font
size=3D1 color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:navy'>
</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>There
are also key issues with the weighting factor assumptions, the wall =
convective
coefficients.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>I haven't used EnergyPlus much yet. =
What
did I miss guys?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;color:navy'>Brian =
Fountain</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href=3D"mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bldg-sim at gard.com</a> [mailto:<a
href=3D"mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bldg-sim at gard.com</a>] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Renato Sousa<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> January 18, 2006 =
10:56 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href=3D"mailto:bldg-sim at gard.com" =
target=3D"_blank">bldg-sim at gard.com</a><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [bldg-sim] =
EnergyPlus -
DOE</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello everybody.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I would like to know if anybody has experience =
on
using both EnergyPlus and DOE.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Currently I'm using an interface for =
EnergyPlus. From
the software description I couldn't find out the main differences =
between
EnergyPlus and DOE. Does anyone know the main differences or where can I =
find
them?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From the description it is said that =
EnergyPlus was
based on DOE and BLAST so I suppose EnergyPlus has some extra features =
but I'm
not sure if that is right.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Best regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D1 color=3D"#0a2a3d" =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DPT =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#0A2A3D;font-weight:
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</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D1 color=3D"#0a2a3d" =
face=3DArial><span
lang=3DPT =
style=3D'font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#0A2A3D;font-weight:
bold'>Tel: +351 919 316 221 =
| E-mail: </span></font></b><b><font
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title=3D"mailto:renato.sousa at fluidinova.pt"> =
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