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RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] similar to Purchased Air



Hello,
You ask a very good question.  Until the autosize option was implemented 
there was no way that you could simulate the building to obtain the loads 
necessary to size the system and plant so you could do the 
simulation.  There was the classic which came first the chicken or the egg 
problem; in this case the building or the loads.  Therefore there had to be 
a way to specify a system that had no capacity limits to determine the 
loads so that an air system could be properly sized and simulated.  That is 
why the temperature is specified and the volume flow is calculated.  In 
actuality the autosize runs this same type of calculation to determine this 
information and then those results are propagated to the correct fields in 
the system components.  If you look at the Zone Sizing Object you will see 
several inputs that replicate the Purchased Air inputs.

Some people still like to do this in a multi step process for greater 
understanding of the loads and sizing of there components, instead of 
turning on some parameters and letting the program take off into the great 
unknown.  Others like the idea of using the autosize option to alleviate 
the tedium of model building and checking.  But there is another group that 
may be doing a study on the envelope and want to avoid the time and 
complexity investment of adding an air system for their study.  This seems 
to be the greatest utility of Purchased Air at this point!  But that is 
also why Purchased Air does not do all of the things that have been asked 
about lately.

Thanks
Dr. Richard Liesen
Associate Director, Building Systems Laboratory
Department of Mechanical and Industrial Engineering
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign



At 01:15 PM 1/22/2003, Najad Tuffaha wrote:
>It appears that "Purchased Air" option does not represent any actual type of
>airside HVAC system. What is the purpose of simulating such an option,
>rather than simulating real airside systems?
>
>Najad Tuffaha, PE, CEM
>PEPCO ENERGY SERVICES
>Office  703 253-1774
>Mobile 202 309-0553
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard J. Liesen [mailto:r-liesen@xxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:39 PM
>To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] similar to Purchased Air
>
>Hello,
>Purchased Air can not do this.  However all of the Constant Volume systems
>do provide this, ie.  Single Duct Terminal Reheat, Fan Coils, etc..
>
>Thanks
>Richard Liesen
>
>
>At 09:31 AM 1/22/2003, li zhang wrote:
> >Hello, Everyone,
> >In purchased air, the air temperature is given, and
> >the flow rate can be calculated and provided based on
> >the load.  Is there a way  in which the supply air
> >flow rate is given, however the air temperature can be
> >calculated and provided?
> >
> >Thank you!
> >
> >Li Zhang
> >Department of Mechanical Engineering
> >Iowa State University
> >Ames, IA 50011
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