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RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Mundt zone temperature control



I have not run a higher supply air temperature model yet.  If I did, I could probably use a temperature that gets me a nice control zone temperature but the model controls would still be locked onto the average zone temperature.  I think I have either some input error or the complexity of my zone is breaking the Mundt zone calculations. 

 

Ned Lyon
Staff Consultant

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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Peters
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:27 AM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Mundt zone temperature control

 

Dear Edward,

I am used the Mundt model with good success.  I was wondering, are your results better when you use a higher supply air temperature? 

 

Using a cold supply air temperature such as 13 degrees C will result in a severe temp gradient at floor level and stagnant air in the occupied zone..

 

Have you tried the UCSD model?

 

Judy

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Edward G. Lyon <eglyon@xxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Edward G. Lyon <eglyon@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Mundt zone temperature control
To: "EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:03 AM

Iʼm having trouble controlling occupant air temperature in a Mundt zone. I have a complex shape zone, hemispherical with approximately 50 ft diameter and 252 surfaces. I have entered all the surfaces as appropriate Mundt room nodes. I have a Mundt control node 1.75m above the floor and supply air entering 0.5m above the floor from a Purchased Air object at 13 degC. Return air exits near the ceiling. I donʼt have any internal loads yet, the convective wall loads affect the space.

I have tried the model with DIRECT and INDIRECT coupling.

With direct coupling I get a variable supply air flow, but it responds to the zone average temperature and not the control node. When zone average is below the cooling set point, the flow is off. As the zone average temperature rises above set point (control node is still lower than set point), air flow increases and the average air temperature gets controlled to the set point with little room stratification except that the control node is very cold.

With indirect coupling I have a max flow limit from the Purchased Air Object, lots of stratification heating and stone cold occupied zone. The average air temperature floats above the set point and the control node chills to nearly the supply air temperature.

Can I have a cold supply air temperature and limit flow to keep the control node conditioned rather than working on the average zone air temperature?

Do I need to name the control node the same name as the average zone temperature?

If I increase the supply air temperature, how do I get an appropriate supply air flow that doesnʼt also cool the whole space?

Excerpts of the .idf file:

ROOMAIR MODEL,
MUNDT For MAIN, !- Room-Air Model Name
MAIN, !- Zone Name
MUNDT, !- Room-Air Modeling Type
INDIRECT; !- Air Temperature Coupling Strategy


!- =========== ALL OBJECTS IN CLASS: ROOMAIR NODE ===========

!
!These are inputs for a stratification model for air distribution in the MAIN
!Zone. Proper operation of this calculation has not been verified. 10 July 2008
!
ROOMAIR NODE,
MAIN_Inlet, !- Node Name
INLET, !- Node Type
MAIN, !- Name of Zone to Which the Air Node Belongs
0.5; !- Height of Nodal Control Volume Center {m}

ROOMAIR NODE,
Main_Floor, !- Node Name
FLOOR, !- Node Type
MAIN, !- Name of Zone to Which the Air Node Belongs
0.05, !- Height of Nodal Control Volume Center {m}
MAIN_FLOOR_1, !- surface name #1
MAIN_FLOOR_2, !- surface name #2
MAIN_FLOOR_3, !- surface name #3
MAIN_FLOOR_4, !- surface name #4
MAIN_FLOOR_5, !- surface name #5
MAIN_FLOOR_6, !- surface name #6
MAIN_FLOOR_7, !- surface name #7
MAIN_FLOOR_8, !- surface name #8
MAIN_FLOOR_9, !- surface name #9
MAIN_FLOOR_10, !- surface name #10
MAIN_FLOOR_11, !- surface name #11
MAIN_FLOOR_12, !- surface name #12
MAIN_FLOOR_13, !- surface name #13
MAIN_FLOOR_14, !- surface name #14
MAIN_FLOOR_15, !- surface name #15
MAIN_FLOOR_16, !- surface name #16
MAIN_FLOOR_17, !- surface name #17
MAIN_FLOOR_18; !- surface name #18

ROOMAIR NODE,
MAIN_Occupied, !- Node Name
CONTROL, !- Node Type
MAIN, !- Name of Zone to Which the Air Node Belongs
1.75; !- Height of Nodal Control Volume Center {m}

ROOMAIR NODE,
MAIN_Vent, !- Node Name
RETURN, !- Node Type
MAIN, !- Name of Zone to Which the Air Node Belongs
27; !- Height of Nodal Control Volume Center {m}

!- =========== ALL OBJECTS IN CLASS: MUNDT MODEL CONTROLS ===========

MUNDT MODEL CONTROLS,
MAIN, !- Zone Name
1, !- Fraction of internal loads from the convective Floor Air
0; !- Fraction of internal loads from the Infiltration Air

NODE LIST,
Inlet_MAIN, !- Node List Name
MAIN_Inlet; !- Node_ID_1

CONTROLLED ZONE EQUIP CONFIGURATION,
MAIN, !- Zone Name
MAIN_Equip, !- List Name: Zone Equipment
Inlet_MAIN, !- Node List or Node Name: Zone Air Inlet Node(s)
, !- Node List or Node Name: Zone Air Exhaust Node(s)
MAIN_Occupied, !- Zone Air Node Name
Return_MAIN; !- Zone Return Air Node Name

ZONE EQUIPMENT LIST,
MAIN_Equip, !- Name
PURCHASED AIR, !- KEY--Zone Equipment Type 1
Air_MAIN, !- Type Name 1
1, !- Cooling Priority 1
1; !- Heating Priority 1

PURCHASED AIR,
Air_MAIN, !- Purchased Air Name
MAIN_Inlet, !- Zone Supply Air Node Name
50, !- Heating Supply Air Temp {C}
13, !- Cooling Supply Air Temp {C}
0.00624, !- Heating Supply Air Humidity Ratio {kg-H2O/kg-air}
0.00624, !- Cooling Supply Air Humidity Ratio {kg-H2O/kg-air}
LIMIT, !- heating limit
5, !- Maximum heating air flow rate {m3/s}
LIMIT, !- cooling limit
5, !- Maximum cooling air flow rate {m3/s}
NO OUTSIDE AIR, !- outside air
0.01, !- Outside air flow rate {m3/s}
Always_On, !- heating availability schedule
Always_On; !- cooling availability schedule

ZONE CONTROL:THERMOSTATI C,
Stat_MAIN, !- Thermostat Name
MAIN, !- Zone Name
MAIN_Control_ Type, !- Control Type SCHEDULE Name
Dual Setpoint with Deadband, !- Control Type #1
MAIN_DeadBand; !- Control Type Name #1

DUAL SETPOINT WITH DEADBAND,
MAIN_DeadBand, !- Name
Heat_Main, !- Heating Setpoint Temperature SCHEDULE Name
Cool_Main; !- Cooling Setpoint Temperature SCHEDULE Name
 
 

Ned Lyon
Staff Consultant

SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & HEGER 
     | Engineering of Structures and Building Enclosures

41 Seyon Street, Bldg. 1, Suite 500
Waltham, MA 02453

781.907.9000 main
781.907.9350 direct 
781.907.9009 fax

 

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