RES: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Actual Air flow ?

Dear Vaibhav,

It really helped a lot.

Regards,

Alberto

De: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Em nome de Vaibhav Jain
Enviada em: terça-feira, 3 de julho de 2012 11:08
Para: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Assunto: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Actual Air flow ?

I have this picture (attached) I made for myself to remember the terminology. Might save us time, because: a picture = many words :)

Vaibhav Jain

www.vaibhavjain.co

On 3 July 2012 15:54, Jean marais <jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Bidirectional flow is also calculated depending on what object you are using (AirflowNetwork models such two-directional flow, but only for vertical openings).

I think you may be right that only infiltration is considered in load calcs, but then exfiltration is usually less interesting (has very small impact on building energy usage). This is the case for TrnSys.

However,
the io ref states that exfiltration is better handled with an exhaust componant and that AFN can "16) Determine the impact of zone exhaust fans on air flows, pressures, air temperatures/humidity levels and energy consumption."

I've not checked the engineering ref on this.

--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "lisacng" <lisa.ng@...> wrote:
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> Alberto, Oscar
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> Just to make things clear, "inside" and "outside" aren't inside the building and outside the building. It is the inside or outside face of the referenced surface (AirflowNetwork:MultiZone:Surface // Surface name // Leakage component name) where your leakage element is.
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> It should be noted that EnergyPlus only uses the flow into a building from the outdoors to affect the load on a zone. Exfiltration (air leaving a building) and mixing of air between zones does not affect load calculations. Someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.
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> --- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, oscar hernandez <oscarhernandez_81@> wrote:
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