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RE: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] RE: Thermal mass





The blue line and the orange line are relative to the same thermal transmittance but to different thermal capacities: the two lines are very different.



---In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, <energyplus_support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It confirms my answer.

No strong difference between high and low thermal capacity (density*specific heat) for the insulation product fully in line with other several investigations and papers

 

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De: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de fpasserini.tn@...
Enviado el: jueves, 10 de octubre de 2013 16:38
Para: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [EnergyPlus_Support] RE: Thermal mass

 

 

You should try using very extreme conditions. 

I used periodic conditions in the weather file (and there was no internal loads, no ventilation or infiltration) and the period was equal to 24 hours.

The internal space was conditioned and I got the following results for different materials in the external wall composition:  http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/109/6khg.jpg

With the finite different method I got similar results. 

Best Regards

 



---In energyplus_support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, <RRaustad@...> wrote:

For thermal mass to be effective in offsetting HVAC operation, the mass must be cooling (heated) to below (above) the zone temperature so that energy is stored in the mass. This means you must undershoot (overshoot) the zone temperature set point before you turn off the system.

On 10/9/2013 11:34 AM, yasin khan wrote:

Actually sir i want to estimate the energy saving by using thermal mass, So I shut off my system 2 to 3 hour before it's schedule. If there is thermal mass effect in energyplus, then my zone temperature is maintain around set point, so cooling energy not required in last 2 or 3 hour and save the energy. this is what i am thinking but its not happening in modeling. So plz tell mo how can i do it ?

 

On Wednesday, 9 October 2013 8:54 PM, "josep.sole@..." <josep.sole@...> wrote:

 

You can run your model using IdeaLoad system controlled by a constant (or variable) thermostat and after compare District Heating and Cooling in both cases

According my experience differences are quite small.

 

 

Josep Solé
URSA Insulation S.A
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Sustainibility & Technical Manager 

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De: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de yasin khan
Enviado el: miércoles, 09 de octubre de 2013 17:17
Para: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [EnergyPlus_Support] Thermal mass

 

 

Sir

I want to find out the effect of Thermal mass, so i model  two type of different wall having almost same U-value but different heat capacity

( density X specific heat ) and simulate. But the profile of zone temperature for 24 hour are same. So how can i model the thermal mass effect ?

 

 

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