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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] DX Cooling coil single speed
Dear Sir,
The coefficient that r required I am going to use from e+ as it is constant for a particular building construction I guess.
U only tell me the formula that relates the coefficent with Temperature for surface load.
Regards.
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On Thu, 7/7/16, Jean Marais jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] DX Cooling coil single speed
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 7 July, 2016, 10:27 AM
Like I said, it depends what
algorithm you have selected for calculating the convection
coefficients (both the outside and inside).
Search the documents for TARP to find one. How
all the others are called, you will find in a table listing
them all.
On 6 Jul 2016 18:57,
"sandip gupta sandipgupta_nh@xxxxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support]" <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear sir,
I feel that I am taped into this subject
Surface Inside Face Convection Heat Transfer Coefficient is
it the property of the surface or does it changes with
temperature set point change.
I will tell you my main objective
I want to get maximum number of variables from from e+ to
matlab so that my calculation burden is reduced but I want
to know the relation which will guide me
to find the change in Zone Air Heat Balance Surface
Convection Rate for a given outdoor temperature and set
point temperature.
In every time step i am taking the feedback of the variables
from e+ to matlab that I csan do easily I know how to do it.
But tell me how the relation is obtained for every time step
i will do the calculation.
Regards,
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On Wed, 6/7/16, Jean Marais jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] DX Cooling coil single
speed
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, 6 July, 2016, 9:35 PM
Convection heat transfer is equal
to the heat transfer across the surface and can be
easily
calculated using the u-value of the surface including
film
resistances in W/(m2*K).
The problem is that the film resistances change
at each time step due to changing convection
coefficients.
Depending on what algorithm you chose to use (TARP, DOE,
etc.) these are calculated for each surface using
parameters
such as orientation, local air velocity assumptions,
volume
aspect ratios, etc.
Also, the energy transfer can use a conduction
FiniteDifference (condFD) method or CTF (default) method
to
take capacitive effects into account.
Additionally, other equipment may be defined
that either transfer energy directly to the air node via
convection or to all the surfaces first which in turn
changes their surface temperatures and heat transfer
across
them.
Again, there are several things going on that
converge on a solution. This is exactly why we use
EnergyPlus. Don't calculate this with Matlab,
instead
feed the results of the heat transfers from e+ to Matlab
if
you require them.
On 6 Jul 2016 3:27 pm,
"sandip gupta sandipgupta_nh@xxxxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support]" <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear sir,
Actually I am desigining a controller in matlab and
through
BCVTB I am sending the set point to E+. Now Most of the
variables I am using from reporting variable. The only
problem I am now facing is with calculation of
ZSF1:Zone Air Heat Balance Surface Convection Rate
[W]
and Air Heat Balance Outdoor Air Transfer Rate [W].
Can u help me with the related formulas used to
calculate
the above values. So that I can develop a suitable
logic.
Regards,
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On Wed, 6/7/16, Jim Dirkes jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] DX Cooling coil single
speed
To: "EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, 6 July, 2016, 6:09 PM
Sandip,Have you
reported Output:Variables such
as:Output:Variable,*,Cooling
Coil
Electric Power,hourly; !- HVAC Average
[W]Output:Variable,*,Cooling Coil Sensible Cooling
Rate,hourly; !- HVAC Average [W]
Another consideration is
to create Meter:Custom for specific
variables.
These may make your
evaluation simpler than using manual
calculations.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:32
PM, sandip gupta sandipgupta_nh@xxxxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your kind reply.
My main aim is to find the relation between Power
consumption by HVAC system for a given desired room
temperature and outdoor room temperature.I have already
used
the performance curve to get the power consumption
using
Q.total=Q.total.rated*EIR*RTF
Where RTF=PLR/PLF
and PLR=actual sensible cooling load /steady state
sensible
cooling rate
What is the formula to calculate actual sensible
cooling
load and steady state sensible cooling rate where can I
find
this values is reporting XLS sheet.
How actual sensible cooling load and steady state
sensible
cooling rate are related to Desired Set Point
Temperature
and and Outdoor temperature.
With Regards,
Sandip Gupta
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On Wed, 6/7/16, Jean Marais jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] DX Cooling coil
single
speed
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, 6 July, 2016, 1:06 AM
Dear Sandip,
DX equipment models mostly use a set of 4
curves that are generated using regression analysis
from
a
matrix of performance data provided by the
manufacturer.
This matrix describes how the equipment performs under
a
wide variety of different operating conditions. The
curves
are each in their own right normalized around a set of
"rating point" values.
There are two tools available that I have seen
to help you setup (and possibly understand better) the
performance curves in conjunction with appropriate
rating
point values (they go hand in hand). One is a
spreadsheet
tool that comes with e+ and can usually be found in
your
launch bar. The other is from DesignBuilder. I use my
own,
but only I understand how it works.
Be forewarned that this topic is probably the
most advanced that the non-source-code writing
simulation
community can come up against. If you are a beginner
e+
user, my advice would be NOT to start with the most
complex
issues first. If you have gained a basic understanding
about
part-load (part of "rated full load")
performance
together with the other factors influencing HVAC
performance
(like the humidity in the air and the temperatures of
both
air and cooling medium, as well as bypass factor) that
should be enough for now.
The equation you wrote is one of several that
are solved simultaneously using algorithms that
converge
on
a solution. I'm sorry there is no easy answer. The
interdependencies are simply too complex to solve by
hand.
Perhaps you state what you wish your model
should demonstrate. Then state what you have done and
what
you observed, followed by what you cannot interperate
or
generate for results.
Kindly yours,
On 5 Jul 2016 2:15 pm,
"sandip gupta sandipgupta_nh@xxxxxxxxxxx
[EnergyPlus_Support]" <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear sir,'
While calculating the power consumption
of
a
DX
Cooling Coil Single Speed.
Step 1: Total Cooling Capacity as a function of
temperature
is calculated. Here from where does the Wet Bulb
temperature
comes from is it the sensor value.
Step 2: Total Cooling Capacity as a function of flow
fraction is calculated.
Step 3: Qtotal = Qtotal,rated * (TotCapTempModFac) *
(TotCapFFModFac) is calculated but from where do we
get
Qtotal,rated. Pls help.
EnergyPlus� Version 8.5 Documentation Engineering
Reference Page Number 785 calculations.
Please help me out how to calculate the power
consumption
of
HVAC system for different set point temperature. Does
the
above calculations satisfy my requirements.
I would be very very thankful to you if you kindly
solve
my
doubts and problems.
With Warm Regards,
Sandip Gupta.
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