Just saw this right after posting my comment.
If you've set the solar transmittance of deciduous trees to 1.0, that would mean there is no shading at all. That would make the counter-intuitive results even harder to understand. Are you sure that modeling a tree in EP has only a solar shading effect ?
By the way, the solar transmittance of a deciduous tree is not
1.0, since the branches and trunk are still there and are totally
opaque. When I used to model deciduous trees, I increased the
transmittance to 0.80 during the winter.
But that's a relatively minor issue compared to what you're seeing with room air temperatures increasing in the wintertime! :-)
Joe
Thank you for the reply.
I am using JPN_Tokyo.Hyakuri.477150_IWEC.epw for calculation. I incorrectly described in the wrong idf file. I'm sorry.
I am setting the solar transmittance of deciduous trees to 1.0 in winter. This is to confirm the effect of deciduous trees. When I was 1.0, I thought that room temperature would be equal without being influenced by deciduous trees.
But the results were different. Cause is my setting wrong? Or is EnergyPlus able to calculate buildings with deciduous trees?
On 2018/07/02 6:15, Julien Marrec julien.marrec@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] wrote:
All,
The example file the OP sent is a Minimal Complete Verifiable Example (MCVE, meaning it has nothing superfluous, only the bare minimum required to reproduce the behavior) which is really good news. Even on my phone I can see what’s in there because it’s sweet and short.
So I would encourage all to take a look at it because it’s quite unusual in our community and1. For once you actually have something workable to reproduce the results and investigate and quickly be able to help2. If it could serve as an example for anyone who may be seeking help in the future here or on similar platforms of the BEM community that would be GREAT.
Anyways/fyi, Koji did use some Shading:Building:Detailed objects with a transmittance schedule which has value of 1 until March and fractional values in July August (in the 0.4 range or so).
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Koji,Knocking the obvious causes, what weather file are you using? You have design days for Chicago in there, are you using Chicago EPw?Goes without saying that if you were using any epws from the Southern Hemisphere your seasons would be wrong...
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Le 1 juil. 2018 à 22:15, Jean Marais jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
Example:
The 3 large horse chestnut trees (Aesculus hippocastanum) onsite are also modelled having 17,5% transmission during summer and 73% transmission in winter. Transmissions are based on the table “Solar Modifying Characteristics of Various Species of Trees” in “Landscape architectural graphic standards” By Leonard J. Hopper, 2007. The trees together with component blocks representing neighbouring buildings are modelled for the daylighting simulation.
You can set a transparency schedule for a shading surface.
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2018-07-01 21:48 GMT+02:00 Jim Dirkes jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Dear,Have you tried using "Shading:Site:Detailed" with a transmittance schedule that reflects the amount of leaves?
p.s., You are reminding me of some research conducted by Dr. Mojtaba Navvab in the mid-1980s when I was a colleague at the University of Michigan. He took photos of deciduous tress at different times of the year, then digitized the image to determine the amount of transparency and its impact on the indoor environment. This was, in my mind, very innovative in the days when digital images were not the norm.Vorschau für Anhang "Practical Method to Model Trees for Daylighting Simulation.pdf" ansehen![]()
Practical Method to Model Trees for Daylighting Simulation.pdf385 KBOn Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Koji Takemasa koji_takemasa@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@yahoogroups.com > wrote:
Hi.
I use EnergyPlus to calculate the room temperature when there are
deciduous trees and when there is not.
The strange thing is that those with deciduous trees show higher values
when comparing the room temperature of January when there are deciduous
trees and no deciduous trees.
In this setting, the winter (including January of course) leaves are
falling, so room temperature should be roughly equal.
I do not know the reason.
Since I am not sure whether my setting is correct, I also attached an
idf file.
The attached graph shows annual room temperature fluctuation. The X axis
shows the month and the Y axis shows the time. I think that you can see
the difference when comparing them.
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