[Equest-users] Understanding Floors

[Pasha Korber-Gonzalez]

I'm with Vik- I thought it was only one space to one zone, but if someone
has a new way of things, please share...

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On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Sami, Vikram
<Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com>wrote:

>  Nick,
>
> How do you group multiple spaces in one zone? I always thought you could do
> only one space per zone.
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> *Vikram Sami*, LEED AP
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> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Caton
> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2010 2:00 PM
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> *To:* Peter Hillermann; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
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> Hey Peter,
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>
> If by “stack” you mean place one space geometrically over another, the
> answer is yes.  If you mean to ask whether zones can group spaces in
> different elevations, the answer is also yes.
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> However, I would like to hammer out your wording again to be sure we’re on
> the same page!  I think you meant to ask “Can you stack a space in a
> shell?”  Spaces are normally “inside” shells in a geometrical sense, as they
> are generally within the shell footprint/boundaries.
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> Zones, in contrast, have nothing to do with geometries – they are simply
> groupings of spaces with some extra HVAC/airflow properties tacked on.
> Those spaces could be all over the place – at different elevations, within
> different shells… pretty much any combination from my experience.
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>
> Best of luck!  If you are getting tripped up, remember a picture is worth a
> thousand questions (?)…
>
>
> ~Nick
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> PS to all:  The SD/DD Wizards are, in my mind, kinda misleading with regard
> to helping new users understand the distinction between “space” & “zone.”
> Some work in detailed mode will eventually lead you to understand, but the
> Wizard screens inconsistently interchange the terms and may cause others
> confusion in the long run… See my description below for a simple breakdown
> if you are cutting your teeth on eQuest ;).
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> *From:* Peter Hillermann [mailto:peterh at westallarchitects.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2010 12:40 PM
> *To:* Nick Caton; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
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> Nick,
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> Thanks again. Can you stack a space in a zone?
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> Thanks,
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> *PETER HILLERMANN*
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> *From:* Nick Caton [mailto:ncaton at smithboucher.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2010 12:33 PM
> *To:* Peter Hillermann; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
>
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>
> Peter, I think you might be leading yourself into some unnecessary
> confusion with your word choices…
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>
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> eQuest has 3 distinct entities:
>
> -          *Shells* are simply groups of spaces
>
> -          *Spaces* are geometrical volumes, which may or may not have
> floors, walls, ceilings, windows, etc. tied to them.  Internal loads /
> daylighting / occupancies are attributed to spaces.
>
> -          *Zones* are simple entities that include one or more spaces,
> with additional HVAC attributes like thermostat and airflow specifics.
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> You’re using “floors” to interchangeable discuss all the above, it seems.
> For clarity when discussing eQuest, “floors” are merely the constructions we
> walk on, normally one attribute of a “space.”
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> All that said, it’s entirely possible to model a “box within a box,” as
> you’re describing.  You are limited in the wizards (by their nature) with
> regard to defining zones/footprints… the best approach depends on the nature
> of the space footprints you want to model.  If it’s very simply two stacked
> cubes enclosed within a larger cube, I’d personally model one shell, with
> one space carved out of the middle.  Then I’d use the detailed mode to
> shrink that space volume and partition/ceiling dimensions to match the first
> floor office, then copy the entire space and its componenents for the second
> floor.  I’d adjust the largest cube’s volume (it’s a space property) to
> correct the conditioned volume, and be sure all partitions are correctly
> associating the three spaces together…  With all spaces sorted out, ensure
> your three spaces are correctly grouped with regard to “zones,” for
> association with your HVAC system(s).
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>
> Clear as mud =)?
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> *~Nick*
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> *NICK CATON, E.I.T.***
>
> PROJECT ENGINEER
>
> 25501 west valley parkway
>
> olathe ks 66061
>
> direct 913 344.0036
>
> fax 913 345.0617
>
> *Check out our new web-site @ *www.smithboucher.com* *
>
>
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> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter
> Hillermann
> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2010 10:56 AM
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Understanding Floors
>
>
>
> To All,
>
>
>
> I just want to make sure I understand the properties behind floors. If you
> have a square building volume with a smaller square inside it that has 2
> levels. EG:- an atrium as main space with 2 levels that are offices. There
> will be a total of 3 floors in your model. Atrium floor, first floor office
> and second floor office. Each of these will have a designated floor to floor
> height. You cannot put one zone inside another on the same floor.
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>
> Is this correct?
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> Thanks,
>
>
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> *PETER HILLERMANN*
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> peterh at westallarchitects.com
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