[TRNSYS-users] Weather Data Reader Type15
saleh saadi
salehsnjsaadi404 at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 22 15:33:47 PDT 2012
Dear Users,
For those of you who usesTYPE15 (for EPW weather data) in TRNSYS 16.
Does TYPE 15 shift the solar radiation to the middle of the hour when interpolation is performed? or uses the weather data by the end of an hour and linearly perform the interpolation?
Thnaks,
Saleh
________________________________
From: saleh saadi <salehsnjsaadi404 at yahoo.com>
To: waseem khan <waseemshahkhan at gmail.com>; "trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu" <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Weather Data Reader Type15
Thanks Waseem,
It is not about a specific weather file.
I'm developing my own weather model reader and processor in Simulink. I have used results from E+ to verify my model but seems to be off at some times . So, I used TRNSYS _16, TYPE 15 to determine the solar radiation on south vertical surface using Perez model and compared that to my Simulink and E+ results. I figured that TYPE 15 interpolates the weather file (even at 1 hour time step) and therefore can't use it for verification. I was expecting that TYPE15 will read the weather file without interpolation when time step is 1 hr. Is there a way with this type or others to get the values at the beginning (or end ) of each hour rather than interpolating values at the mid of the hour?
Thanks,
Saleh
________________________________
From: waseem khan <waseemshahkhan at gmail.com>
To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
Cc: salehsnjsaadi404 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: TRNSYS-users Digest, Vol 94, Issue 30
Dear saleh saadi,
Salam, Please let me know the weather file name ?
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>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Weather Data Reader Type15
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>Dear user,
>
>
>
>I'm trying to extract some weather data from TRNSYS -16 after reading and processing EPW file using Pereze model (time step 1 hr). I have noticed that this TYPE interpolates the variables including the air temperature. Is there a way to extract the data without interpolation using this type or others?
>
>
>regards,
>Saleh ALSaadi
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>From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com>
>To: wanghongyang1767 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>Cc: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:21:53 +0200
>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Fwd: Converging error
>
>Dear Wang,
>
>1) I use TRNSYS 16, there is no TSGRD in TYPE 56.
>Ok. Please always include
the TRNSYS release number .
>
>2) The height over sea level of Default is 0 m I used.
>Default values NEED to be
adapted to your data!
>
>3) You are right. I tried to use *.tm2 weather data,
this Error disappeared!
>As I mentioned previous,
there must be an error in your data file. Link the outputs to the online/printer
for checking
>
>4) Yes, The data reader Type 9 is placed after the building nowfor my simulation.,
>For a successive method
all input data types should be placed at the beginning.
>Check the component order
and rearrange it.
>
>Marion
>
>Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller
>TRANSSOLAR:
KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort
in Gebäude
>Munich - New York - Stuttgart +
49.711.67976.0
>
>Transsolar
Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563 Stuttgart
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Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.: DE152272639
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>________________________________
>
>Von:王洋
[mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com]
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Oktober
2012 13:37
>An: hotline
>Cc: trnsys-users
>Betreff: Re: Fwd: Converging error
>
>Dear Marion,
>
>Many thanks for your patient reply!
>
>1) I use TRNSYS 16, there is no TSGRD in TYPE 56.
>2) The height over sea level of Default is 0 m I used.
>3) You are right. I tried to use *.tm2 weather data, this Error disappeared!
But my Userdefined weather data is TRN/TRY weather data. Why does it result in
aforementioned Errors (Converging error by my past emails)?
>If I must use our ownTRN/TRY
weather data, how to avoid this Converging error?
>4) Yes, The data reader Type 9
is placed after the building nowfor my simulation., Do you mean
Type 9 should be placed before the Building Type 56? Is Better?
>
>Many thanks in advance!
>
>Br.
>
>wang
>2012/10/10 hotline <hotline at transsolar.com>
>Dear Wang,
>
>there are several issues within your simulation
concerning the outside longwave exchange of external surfaces
>
>1.) You didn’t connect
TSGRD such that it is set 0 => If you have no information set it Tamb
>2.) For Sky temperature
calculation with Type 69, you forgot to enter the height above sea level.
>3.) You read the ambient
temperature and the relative air humditiy from a userdefined file by type 9
>instead of using the data from the weather file.
>This file wasn’t attached, but it might be an error source especially
when interpolating incorrect data.
>For testing, please use the ambient temperature and rel. humidity from the
assigned weather file throughout your simulation.
>Please check your userdefined data and the outputs of Type 9 WITHOUT connecting
them to TYPE 56.
>4.) In addition, please check
the component order. The data reader Type 9 is placed after the building.
>
>Marion
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
>Von:王洋[mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com]
>Gesendet: Montag, 8. Oktober 2012
15:31
>An: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu; hotline
>Betreff: Fwd: Converging error
>
>
>Dear Marion and TRNSYS Users,
>
>Thanks for your reply!
>
>I checked all you mentioned, I can't find any special/abnormal settings. Furthermore,
it runs well when the time step is 1 hour. For other steps e.g. 0.1 h, 0.2 h or
0.5 h, it appears that ERROR.
>
>Please help me have a look at the attached project if you are free.
>
>Many thanks in advance!
>
>br.
>
>wang
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>From: 王洋 <wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com>
>Date: 2012/9/28
>Subject: Converging error
>To: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu, hotline at transsolar.com
>
>
>
>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com>
>To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Cc:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error
>Wang,
>
>This problem may occur from incorrect ambient condition
settings:
>Please check the following inputs of Type 56
>1- TAMB
>2- RELHUMAMB
>3- TSKY
>4- TSGRD
>
>In addition make sure that in the BUI file the surface
>- outside
emissitive is ≤ 1
>- outside
convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to reasonable value
>
>If the error presits, we need the complete project to give
further advice.
>
>
>Marion
>2012/9/28 <trnsys-users-request at cae.wisc.edu>
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>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: Matt Duffy <duffy at tess-inc.com>
>To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Cc:
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:04:24 -0500
>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>Karol,
>
>I noticed
from your listing (*.lst) file that your working directory is located on your
computer's desktop directory. This is not recommended due to the potential
issues with the Windows OS system and write privleges. I would first try
changing your working directory to the ".\MyProjects" directory or in
a folder right on the "C:" drive. I am not certain that this is the
issue with the TRNEXE, but if the problem persists, please contact your
distributor, techsupport at tess-inc.com.
>
>Best
regards,
>
>Matt Duffy
>
>TRNSYS on Facebook
>On
2012-09-27 03:46, Karol Bandurski wrote:
>Dear All,
>>
>>I try to simulate
dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm for window opening and
ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone with set temperature
depending on time of day.
>>
>>When I run my
yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There is even
no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.
>>
>>Only think what
appear (many times) in .lst file is
>>
>>Notice: More than
6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>>
>>I will be grateful
for any advice!
>>
>>I enclose .lst
file.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>------------------------------------------------
>>Karol Bandurski
MSc.
>>Institute of Environmental
Engineering
>>Poznan
University of Technology
>>www.ee.put.poznan.pl
>>www.put.poznan.pl
>>
>
>
>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: "Marion Hiller"
<hiller at transsolar.com>
>To: "karol.bandurski" <karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl>
>Cc: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 08:53:53 +0200
>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>Karol,
>
>In general the notice has nothing to do with a
frozen TRNEXE.exe,
>it is just an information.
>
>The message indicates that the internal
controller for turning on the
>integrated heating/cooling has convergence
problems and a deadband is applied to promote convergence.
>This may be the case at the moment of turning ON
or OFF something.
>After 6 internal iterations a deadband is added
to promote convergence.
>If the convergence isn’t reached after 12
iterations a warning is written to the lst/log file.
>
>Regards,
>
>Marion
>
>
>Dipl.-Ing. Marion Hiller
>TRANSSOLAR:
KlimaEngineering - Technologien für energieeffizientes Bauen und Nutzerkomfort
in Gebäude
>Munich - New York - Stuttgart +
49.711.67976.0
>
>Transsolar
Energietechnik GmbH, Curiestrasse 2, 70563 Stuttgart
>Amtsgericht Stuttgart - HRB 23347,
Steuernummer 99073/00911, USt-IdNr.: DE152272639
>Geschäftsführer: Dipl.Ing. Matthias Schuler,
Dipl.Ing. Thomas Auer, Dipl.Phys. Stefan Holst, Prof. Dipl.-Ing. Bleicher
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
>
>Von:Karol Bandurski [mailto:karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl]
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27.
September 2012 10:47
>An: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] problem
with iterations??
>
>Dear
All,
>
>I
try to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm for
window opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone with set
temperature depending on time of day.
>
>When
I run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There
is even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.
>
>Only
think what appear (many times) in .lst file is
>
>Notice:
More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>
>I
will be grateful for any advice!
>
>I
enclose .lst file.
>
>Regards,
>
>------------------------------------------------
>Karol
Bandurski MSc.
>Institute
of Environmental Engineering
>PoznanUniversityof Technology
>www.ee.put.poznan.pl
>www.put.poznan.pl
>
>
>
>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: "hotline" <hotline at transsolar.com>
>To: trnsys-users <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Cc:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:02:00 +0200
>Subject: Re: [TRNSYS-users] Converging error
>Wang,
>
>This problem may occur from incorrect ambient condition
settings:
>Please check the following inputs of Type 56
>1- TAMB
>2- RELHUMAMB
>3- TSKY
>4- TSGRD
>
>In addition make sure that in the BUI file the surface
>- outside
emissitive is ≤ 1
>- outside
convective heat transfer coefficient ist set to reasonable value
>
>If the error presits, we need the complete project to give
further advice.
>
>
>Marion
>
>________________________________
>
>
>
>Von:王洋[mailto:wanghongyang1767 at gmail.com]
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27.
September 2012 11:49
>An: trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu
>Betreff: [TRNSYS-users] Converging
error
>
>Dear all,
>
>I met a converging error when I changed simulation time step 1 hour into 0.1
hour or 0.2 hour or 0.01 hour as follows:
>
>*** Fatal Error at time : 3972.000000
> Generated by Unit
: 56
> Generated by Type
: 56
>
Message
: outside temperature of 2(external) wall in zone
1at time 3972.00 not converged!
>
>Please tell me some possible solutions for that if you know. The attached is
its Listing File.
>
>Many thanks in advance!
>Br.
>
>wang
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> 1. Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India (R.K. Singh)
> 2. problem with iterations?? (Karol Bandurski)
>
>
>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: "R.K. Singh" <singh.ramkishore at gmail.com>
>To: TRNSYS-users at cae.wisc.edu
>Cc:
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:04:34 +0530
>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] Doctoral Fellowships at TERI University, India
>TERI University is
currently inviting applications for Doctoral programmes in
Bioresources/Biotechnology;Natural Resource Management, Energy and
Environment and Regulatory and Policy studies for semester starting january
2013. A range of scholarship opportunities are also available for
the students in specific areas, the details of which can be accessed through
the following link.
>http://teriuniversity.ac.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54
>The last date for
application is October 31st, 2012. The details regarding fee, eligibility
and other requirements can be accessed through http://teriuniversity.ac.in/index.php?option=com_program
>
>For any further
details please get in touch with Dr. Sapna A Narula, Associate Professor sapna.narula at teriuniversity.ac.in.
>
>***********************************************
>Dr. Ramkishore Singh
>Department of Energy & Environment
>TERI University
>Tel: 91-11-26122222, Ext. 1302
>Fax: 91-11-26122874
>Web: www.teriuniversity.ac.in
>***********************************************
>
>
>
>
>---------- 已转发邮件 ----------
>From: "Karol Bandurski" <karol.bandurski at put.poznan.pl>
>To: <trnsys-users at cae.wisc.edu>
>Cc:
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:46:49 +0200
>Subject: [TRNSYS-users] problem with iterations??
>Dear
All,
>
>I try
to simulate dwelling with natural ventilation. I set some algorithm for window
opening and ideal heating for colder part of year for each zone with set
temperature depending on time of day.
>
>When I
run my yearly simulation it stop in one moment and TRNEXE is frozen... There is
even no error! Then I can only turn off TRNEXE.
>
>Only
think what appear (many times) in .lst file is
>
>Notice:
More than 6 iterations for internal regulation HEATING/COOLING.
>
>I will
be grateful for any advice!
>
>I
enclose .lst file.
>
>Regards,
>
>------------------------------------------------
>Karol
Bandurski MSc.
>Institute
of Environmental Engineering
>PoznanUniversityof Technology
>www.ee.put.poznan.pl
>www.put.poznan.pl
>
>
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