[Bldg-sim] natural gas for school canteen

[Nick Caton]

I've been keeping this in my bookmarks for my next commercial kitchen to model:
http://www.fishnick.com/design/resources/leed/

The spreadsheet here has lots of collected data on typical/baseline kitchen equipment.  More on their website to read up on to see where they're coming from.

~Nick
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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of John R Ross III PE
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:32 PM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] natural gas for school canteen

Hi;

I would suggest  AO Smith water heater and boiler  manufacturer sizing software available on line at

http://www.hotwatersizing.com/Application.aspx


I have designed and installed several projects including an office building cafeteria with gas fired
water heaters combined with a 750 gallon per day Solar thermal array. using AO Smith.  Good Stuff.

bye.


On 8/22/2013 7:11 PM, Sami, Vikram wrote:
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This is a screenshot from the 2010 Buildings Energy Data Book put out by the Department of Energy - it might be useful to you for an average estimate.

Overall - it's a really useful publication and its free. http://buildingsdatabook.eren.doe.gov/DataBooks.aspx



Vikram Sami
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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of John Aulbach
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:36 PM
To: Amy Allen; Francesco Passerini
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] natural gas for school canteen

I believe ASHRAE text books have a DHW/person table for various building types. I know they have hotels, dormitories, and apartments. Need to check on a restaurant setting.

John Aulbach

From: Amy Allen <amyallen at stanford.edu<mailto:amyallen at stanford.edu>>
To: Francesco Passerini <fpasserini.tn at gmail.com<mailto:fpasserini.tn at gmail.com>>
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] natural gas for school canteen

Is it an existing building? If so, another way to approach it would be to get an idea of the baseline(non-heating) natural gas usage from the utility data(pick a late spring or early fall month when school is in session), which would be made up of domestic hot water + cooking. Dhw is easier to estimate per person, and subtracting that, you could get an idea of the cooking use(I know you're not using eQuest, but you could start w an eQuest default for per person hot water use in a school) . Both cooking + dhw are probably fairly small.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Francesco Passerini <fpasserini.tn at gmail.com<mailto:fpasserini.tn at gmail.com>> wrote:
I have to model a building according to Annex G of ASHRAE 90.1-2007. In that building there is a school canteen. The food is prepared with natural gas. How could I estimate the energy that is needed for the meal of one person?
With Regards
Francesco Passerini

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