[BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group

[Eric Christensen]

I am not a definitive authority, but I do not believe that ASHRAE 90.1 or
LEED requires DOE-2.1e exclusively.  Section 11.2.1 of 90.1-1999 & 2001
requires "a program such as, but not limited to, DOE-2 or BLAST."  It then
outlines required capabilities of the simulation program.  eQUEST is DOE-2
based, so I believe that it is acceptable for 90.1 compliance and LEED
scoring.
Eric Christensen
Econergy International Corporation
3825 Iris Avenue, Suite 350
Boulder, CO  80301
Phone: (303) 473-9007
Fax:   (303) 473-9060
E-mail: christensen at econergy.net
Website: www.econergy.net

-----Original Message-----
From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:22 PM
To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group


We use DOE2.1e in our shop.  Primarily because of the significant
verification against measured data that has been done on DOE2.1e over the
years.  The other reason is that ASHRAE 90.1 and in particular LEED require
simulation using DOE2.1e.

Here in Canada, the Model National Energy Code, Performance Option required
simulation using EE4 (a free compliance tool http://www.ee4.com ) that used
the DOE2.1e engine from Hirsh and Associates.  Similar to eQuest, you can
use EE4 to quickly generate an input file then edit it for you particular
situation.






  We use eQuest extensively, sometimes using the wizard mode to get started,
sometimes not. We began using DOE2.1d when it was first available on PC
platforms and kept with it through PowerDOE and the `never officially
released DOE2.2. We often use eQuest to create BDL code which we then edit
with a text editor.  I must admit I m sometimes surprised to hear of
modelers (often in Academic situations) still working with 2.1e when `2.2 is
a significant improvement and is absolutely free via eQuest.

  I, like John, am holding off on EnergyPlus until I can justify the
tremendous expense of training my people on a new product that is still not
ready for prime time. Eventually, I hope, but not yet. I m guessing five
years before there is a product that is enough better than eQuest to justify
the investment. (And that s assuming eQuest doesn t continue to improve).

  I imagine that there are numerous eQuest users that are not aware of the
BLDG-SIM forum. Too bad it would be nice to see more interaction around the
eQuest program.  Perhaps SCE/EDR could provide an information blurb about
this forum on their web site or to everyone who down loads eQuest.





  Mark E. Case, P.E.

  etc Group, Inc.

  Salt Lake City, Utah



  -----Original Message-----
  From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike Roberts
  Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:03 PM
  To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM
  Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group



  John,



  There are at least a few of us out here using eQUEST/DOE-2.2 on a regular
basis.  I started using DOE-2.1 back when it was Cal-ERDA 1.3 (about 1979)
and have followed the Hirsch upgrades through PowerDOE and eQUEST.  I have
only seen a Beta version of eQUEST 3.0, but it looks very interesting.



  My specialty is energy simulation and I use eQUEST and the "Detailed Data
Edit" Mode on almost all of our energy simulation jobs.  JJ Hirsch and
Associates are looking for ways to offer more support, but probably at a
price.  I can offer some support, free if it is trivial (to me) or at my
regular rates if it is more involved.  Our web site is
http://www.roberts-engineering.com/.  Hopefully, you will find some useful
information there.



  I think the User Group is a good idea, though you already have a
discussion forum through BLDG-SIM at gard.com.  Let me know how much interest
you get.



  Mike
    -----Original Message-----
    From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Aulbach,
John
    Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:43 AM
    To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
    Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
    May I ask how many people are attempting to use eQuest/DOE-2.2? I would
like to form a User Group for exchanging questions and war stories, as the
creators of the program do not apparently have funding for very much support
(Sad).
    I have taken Marlin Addison's a few times, with the last version I have
(3.0) FINALLY beginning to make sense. I have used DOE-2.1 since 1984 and
have some small familiarity with the intent, switches, and boundaries of the
program. Until a decent front end come along for EnergyPlus, this is the way
I am going.
    There claims to be over 7,000 downloads of the program. Anyone getting
into the "world past the Wizards" yet?



    John R. Aulbach, PE, CEM
    Project Engineer
    Sempra Energy Solutions
    555 West Fifth Street
    Mail Location 27F3
    Los Angeles, CA 90013
    Tel: (213) 244-8551 Cell (213) 219-4875



    "Sempra Energy Solutions is not the same company as SDG&E/ SoCalGas, the
Utilities.  Sempra Energy Solutions is not regulated by the California
Public Utilities Commission, and you do not have to buy Sempra Energy
Solutions products or services to continue to receive quality regulated
service from the Utilities."







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(801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


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(801) 278-1927, FAX (801) 278-1942


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