[BLDG-SIM] getting the whole design team ..., 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis

[Marcus Sheffer]

Another good venue for this discussion/seminar would be the US Green 
Building Council Conference - GreenBuild in Pittsburgh this November.  Will 
be a great mix of the players - architects, engineers, contractors, owners, 
etc.  If anyone is interested I can put you in touch with the organizers.

At 08:23 AM 02/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I've found this discussion of 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis, or getting
>the whole design team into the performance assessment game, most
>fascinating. I would like to propose a seminar, or series of seminars
>and symposiums (documented case studies) on the topic, or various topics
>presented in the preceding chain.
>I know this isn't necessarily original but to see it discussed on this
>particular forum adds, I think, a new dimension. I'm pleasantly
>surprised at the number of responses from architects who, by their
>presence on BLDG-SIM@ Gard.com obviously pay attention to modeling and
>building simulation.
>They could start within a group such as ASHRAE, but would need to branch
>out to AIA and other associations. Ideally, we could produce something
>to present at local venues, to the local design, owner, operator
>community.
>There is time to probably get a seminar at the ASHRAE Winter meeting in
>Anaheim, Jan 04. I can think of at least two ASHRAE Technical Committees
>that would be interested.
>Anyone interested? Other venues?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com] On Behalf Of J.K. Nayak
>Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:23 PM
>To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
>Cc: BLDG-SIM at gard.com; Sabu Francis
>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
>
>I may point out that we have started some work at IIT Bombay in
>association with architects for combining building design and
>simulation. The architect does not have to know the details of a
>simulation. We have integrated the design and simulation process. The
>first part of the project has been completed. It is called TADSIM:Tools
>for Architectural Design and SIMluation. A part of the result was
>presented in SOLAR 2002 (Reno, Nevada, USA) in June 2002.
>
>Thanks.
>
>J.K. Nayak
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Dr. J.K. Nayak
>Professor, Energy Systems Engineering
>Dept. of Mech. Engg., IIT-Bombay,
>Powai, Mumbai 400 076,INDIA.
>Tel: +91-22-25722545 ext. 7881 (O)
>      +91-22-25767881 (O)
>      +91-22-25704166 (R)
>Fax: +91-22-25723480
>      +91-22-25726875
>Email: jknayak at me.iitb.ac.in
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Monjur M Mourshed wrote:
>
> > Mike
> >
> > I agree with your point that energy conservation should begin with
> > Architects but I have reservation about how to implement it, given the
> > current circumstances. Energy simulation is a complex task oriented
> > process. It needs a lot of parameters to be specified to kick off and
> > that might not be available when a designer/ Architect starts the
> > design.
> >
> > Another point to note is the lack of integrated UI (User Interface) -
>be
> > it graphical or textual. Most of the researches in Energy Simulation /
> > Conservation are aimed at developing stand-alone utility or piece of
> > software to do certain job. In my opinion, the emphasis should be
>placed
> > on the integration with the design process and final outcome or
>product.
> > For example, I want to kick off Energy Simulation module from within
>the
> > CAD software I am working with, without specifying further parameters
> > and I want to check for energy consumption after every change I made
>to
> > the layout or component. I don't want to open a different window or
> > software and spend a week to define and run the simulation. You might
>as
> > well say IFC or STEP is there to help. To be honest these
>specifications
> > seem just prototypes to me, I have reservations about them being used
>in
> > real life situations - not in next 3/5 years at least.
> >
> > It is wisely said; know your target audience before you even think to
> > code your software. Knowingly or unknowingly, Most of the software/
> > Interfaces are targeted towards HVAC Engineers, not architects.
>There's
> > a fundamental difference in the think/ work process of an architect
>with
> > Engineers. I don't think architects are too comfortable with what's
> > available out there, commercially or research wise. This is the only
> > reason for not using them in profession. Nobody has problems with
> > learning something new, if it increases the quality of the product or
> > increases efficiency of the process.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Monjur Mourshed
> > IRUSE, Civil Engineering, UCC. Ireland
> > http://www.ecaad.com/monjur
> > http://www.ucc.ie/iruse/monjur
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Roberts
> > Sent: 12 February 2003 16:06
> > To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
> > X-Scanned: By Symantec Carrier Scan Server
> > Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
> >
> > Warren,
> >
> > I'm sure you have seen the discussion of eQUEST over the last few
>days.
> > I consider it and it's DOE-2.2 calculation engine the best available
>for
> > serious production energy simulation. My business is energy simulation
> > for other engineers and architects, and we do probably 90 percent of
>our
> > work with eQUEST/DOE-2.2.  It can even do rudimentary modeling, though
> > probably not what you would want to present to a client.  eQUEST's
> > wizard makes preliminary analysis very quick and easy.  You can then
> > take that model as far as you want with the Detailed Edit Mode.
> >
> > On the other hand, any good simulation program will have a significant
> > learning curve.  I believe eQUEST to have the best user interface
> > available, but the program is not trivial to learn and use properly.
>I
> > have worked with Marlin Addison on presenting two day eQUEST training
> > seminars to engineers and architects.  Normally, after a seminar,
>about
> > 10 percent of the participants will contact me with questions,
> > indicating to me that they are actually using the program.  While I
>have
> > felt for a long time that energy conservation should start with the
> > architect, few of the seminar participants are architects and I cannot
> > remember a single architect with a follow up question.
> >
> > I would highly recommend that whatever program makes your short list,
> > you attend a training seminar to determine if it is practical for you
>to
> > actually use the program.  I would be happy to talk or email further
> > about this subject.
> >
> > Mike Roberts
> > 816-942-8121
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: postman at gard.com [mailto:postman at gard.com]On Behalf Of Warren A.
> > Campbell
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:55 AM
> > To: BLDG-SIM at gard.com
> > X-Scanned: By Symantec Carrier Scan Server
> > Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
> > Hello All:
> >
> > I have a request. I am an architect in North Carolina, and it is my
>job
> > to choose the next generation of software that my office will use in
>the
> > production of construction documents. On the one hand, I am
>considering
> > a 3D modeling program, such as Revit, in order to take advantage of
>both
> > the parametric and rendering capabilities. However, I also have a
>strong
> > interest in promoting high performance design. Therefore, I was hoping
> > there exists a program that can fluidly incorporate energy analysis
>into
> > the modeling software. Maybe there is even something on the horizon.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Warren A. Campbell, RA
> > Millennium 3 Design Group
> > 1313 North Tryon Street
> > Charlotte, NC 28206
> > (704) 333-1965.Ext 22 phone
> > (704) 376-7122 fax
> > wcampbell at m3dg.com
>
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