[BLDG-SIM] Steam-Turbine Drive Centrigugal LiquidChillers

[stvgates at pacbell.net]

specific energie in office buildingsI want to correct some of the information I just put out there regarding steam-turbine driven chillers.

At 150 psig, the steam temperature is about 350F, which corresponds to a maximum thermodynamic turbine efficiency of about 30%; mechanical efficiency would lower this.  And the steam turbines used in chillers have better unloading characteristics than the turbines I looked at a long time ago.  The net effect is that a steam-turbine chiller can have about the same full load efficiency as a 2-stage absorption chiller.  

A useful article can be found at http://www.york.com/products/esg/YorkEngDocs/964.pdf

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Konstantine Babets 
  To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 8:51 AM
  Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Steam-Turbine Drive Centrigugal LiquidChillers


  Varkie,

   

  From my experience in modeling similar plant combinations in NYC and using Con-Ed steam and electric rates you mentioned, for a typical office building you will see a benefit in using steam-turbine chillers (either option 2 and 3, depending on your electrical load factor and refrigeration full load hours). Of course, assuming that in all the cases you use reasonably efficient refrigeration machines.

   

  Here is how you do it in Doe2.1:

   

  INPUT PLANT..

   

  ELEC-DRIVE=PLANT-EQUIPMENT

   TYPE=HERM-CENT-CHLR

   SIZE=24

   INSTALLED-NUMBER=1

   MAX-NUMBER-AVAIL=1 ..

   

   

  STEAM-CHILLER = PLANT-EQUIPMENT

  TYPE = ABSOR2-CHLR

  SIZE = 24

  MAX-NUMBER-AVAIL=1 ..

  ..

   

  EQUIPMENT-QUAD

  ABSOR2-CAP-FT=CCAPT3

  ABSOR2-HIR-FT=EIRT3

  ABSOR2-HIR-FPLR=EIRPLR3

  ..

   

  .

  .

  .

   

  Then in PLANT PARAMETRS you specify 

   

  ABSOR2-HIR = ?

  Hope this helps.

  Please let me know if you have further questions

  Konstantin Babets
  Jaros Baum and Bolles
  (212) 530 9455
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Varkie Thomas 
    To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM 
    Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:40 AM
    Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Steam-Turbine Drive Centrigugal LiquidChillers


    Steve:



    I received other responses suggesting the same thing:



    1. Use 2 stage absorption chiller with HIR of the turbine

    2. Assign PLR curves of centrifugal chiller to corresponding curves of absorption machine.



    I assume this will produce reasonably accurate steam consumption of the steam-turbine.  I need a sample DOE2 Plant "inp" or "bdl" statements showing how to do this.  The chillers in question are York model YST.  York will provide the performance data.  The location is NYC and the utility rates are ConEd Steam Service Classification 2 (lower rates in summer) and ConEd Electric Service Classification 9 Rate II - General Large Time of Use 



    http://q050-www5.coned.com/es/tariffs/ps.asp?URL=tariffs.htm&s=tariffs



    Since there are several buildings in NYC that use a hybrid plant of steam-turbine and electric-motor drive chillers, I assume studies have already been done justifying this combination.  So far I have found the ASHRAE Sept 2003 article: Advances in Steam Cooling by Ian Spanswick



    I would like to compare the following alternative options: (1) two 2000-ton electric-drive chillers, (2) two 2000-ton steam-drive chillers and (3) one 2000-ton electric-drive chiller and one 2000-ton steam-drive chiller sequenced to "start first" based on ConEd year-round steam and electric rates.  This would be for (A) a building that operates 24 hours per day such as a hospital, and (B) an office building that operates 7 AM - 6 PM, Mon-Fri.  I would also like to see a life cycle cost analysis of the alternative options.  Have such studies been done for buildings located in cities with district steam (NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Minneapolis)?



    The Trane TRACE700 program (which we also use in this office along with Carrier's HAP program) models steam-turbine chillers.  However the building in question has already been modeled in detail with DOE2.1E using electric chillers.  I prefer to use DOE2.1E directly (we also have eQUEST and EnergyPro in the office) for LEED certification and to show Code compliance.  The building description language (bdl) provides flexibility and it can be read like a specification for others to review.  Does this program have a future?  How many A-E design firms are using EnergyPlus on large commercial building projects?



    Varkie Thomas







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    Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:13 PM
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    Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Steam-Turbine Drive Centrigugal Liquid Chillers



    You would need to model it as an absorption chiller.  The chiller's heat input ratio and performance curves would need to reflect the combination of the steam turbine and the chiller compressor.

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Varkie Thomas 

      To: BLDG-SIM at GARD.COM 

      Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:58 PM

      Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Steam-Turbine Drive Centrigugal Liquid Chillers



      Has anyone modeled steam turbine drive centrifugal chillers with DOE2.1E?  Is it possible to add this equipment to DOE2, given the part load performance data?



      Varkie Thomas

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