[Bldg-sim] Prototype Commercial Building?

[Chris Yates]

  Dear Joe,
In the UK we have the ubiquitous National Calculation Methodology (NCM)! 
This means that any software accredited to perform EPC's or Part L 
analysis under the Building regulations must have Hot water heating 
included in pre-built templates. This makes things nice and simple for 
the user. The tradeoff for this simplicity is inflexibility - which is 
another discussion altogether!
I believe the NCM uses Building Research Establishment (BRE) estimates 
for its source. I will email this personally to anybody interested - 
it's an M$ Access file of 11mb. Email me direct.
Another authorititive source could be the Institute of Plumbing guides. 
I get the impression that the BRE may have referred to this extensively 
for its sources.
Chris

On 16/07/2010 07:30, Hwakong Cheng wrote:
> Hi Joe (and Morgan!),
>
> I assume that the original prototypical models were developed for 
> DOE-2.1e and not DOE-2.2, but please confirm. I would be interested in 
> looking at these prototypes too if you are willing to share.
>
> Thanks,
> Hwakong
>
> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:50:49 -0700
> > From: YJHuang at whiteboxtechnologies.com
> > To: morgan at ecotope.com
> > CC: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> > Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Prototype Commercial Building?
> >
> > Yes and no. My original prototypes were reviewed in a 18-month interlab
> > effort between LBNL (where I was at the time), PNNL, and NREL. A 
> team of
> > three working under me updated the prototypes to ASHRAE 90.1-2003, as
> > well as incorporating comments, received mostly from PNNL and DOE. At
> > DOE's request, we also converted the building files from DOE-2 BDL to
> > EnergyPlus IDF, and delivered both sets to DOE, PNNL, and NREL. 
> After my
> > departure from LBNL in June 2007, NREL continued working on the
> > EnergyPlus files, and released them in 2009. I have not looked at 
> these,
> > but according to my LBNL colleague these are essentially the same
> > building models, although there have been some improvements to the
> > system inputs from what I had delivered.
> >
> >
> > Joe Huang
> > White Box Technologies, Inc.
> > 346 Rheem Blvd. Suite 108D
> > Moraga CA 94556
> > (o) +925 388 0265
> > (c) +510 928 2683
> > yjhuang at whiteboxtechnologies.com
> > www.whiteboxtechnologies.com
> >
> >
> > Morgan Heater wrote:
> > > Are your prototypes the ones that were converted into the 
> energyplus files
> > > referenced here?
> > >
> > > 
> http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/commercial_initiative/reference_buil
> > > dings.html
> > >
> > > If you had a doe-2 version of the medium office prototype, that 
> would be
> > > really helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Huang [mailto:YJHuang at whiteboxtechnologies.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:17 PM
> > > To: Morgan Heater
> > > Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Prototype Commercial Building?
> > >
> > > Are you referring to a prototypical commercial office building?
> > > While at LBNL, I developed a suite of 486 prototypical commercial
> > > buildings covering 16 building types of three vintages in 16 cities,
> > > that were later generalized to around 120 regional prototypes.
> > >
> > > These were originally developed in the early 1990's as DOE-2 files,
> > > but were converted to EnergyPlus in 2005-2007 and now exist as DOE's
> > > benchmark buildings available on the NREL web site. However, I did
> > > all the development work in DOE-2, and still have all these DOE-2
> > > files, with the intention of putting them on my Web site at some
> > > point.
> > >
> > > I can send you the medium office prototype if you're interested.
> > > A distinguishing feature of these prototypes is that the input files
> > > are highly modular and make extensive use of DOE-2 macros to set the
> > > key building parameters (size, number of floors, interior conditions,
> > > etc.). This makes the building models very flexible and extensible.
> > > After all, I've yet to meet a researcher who just wanted to have an
> > > input file and do a run without any modifications.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > Joe Huang
> > > White Box Technologies, Inc.
> > > 346 Rheem Blvd. Suite 108D
> > > Moraga CA 94556
> > > (o) +925 388 0265
> > > (c) +510 928 2683
> > > yjhuang at whiteboxtechnologies.com
> > > www.whiteboxtechnologies.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Morgan Heater wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi - I'm looking for either a doe2 model or a list of modeling
> > >> parameters for a prototype commercial building. Ideally, I'm looking
> > >> for a model that's for a typical commercial building around 40,000
> > >> square feet that's been used/validated in other research projects.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Anybody have any leads? Thanks.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Morgan Heater, PE, LEED AP
> > >>
> > >> Ecotope, Inc
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> (206) 322-3753 x209
> > >>
> > >> 4056 9th Avenue NE
> > >>
> > >> Seattle, WA 98105
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 
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