[Bldg-sim] A Response & Statement on Energy Modeling Services: Meaning and Value
RobertWichert
robert at wichert.org
Mon May 14 06:40:33 PDT 2012
Chris,
Could you re-post the document, or send it to me directly, please?
Thanks!
Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C
+1 916 966 9060
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On 5/14/2012 6:13 AM, Cristian Salvador Jara Toro wrote:
> The Document attached by Chris is very helpful to "fee path"
> establishment. In my case, it´s been very inextricable to develop some
> fee-way which can be useful for both, the client an me (I work by
> myself in modelling), but I think that always should exist -regardless
> to ft2 or m2- a "minimum fee requirement" (for funny, like the LEED
> prerequisite), and that I used to do.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cristian Jara Toro
> Ingeniero Acústico
> Modelamiento Térmico de Edificios
> Cel: 6 207 8566
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Chris Jones <cj at enersave.ca
> <mailto:cj at enersave.ca>> wrote:
>
> The IIBSE IDP_overview.pdf document attached provides a detailed
> framework for planning the energy simulation stages.
> We have been using this type of framework, adjusted for the
> requirements of each projects, since 2001. It is difficult to
> provide a "typical" fee structure as each design team/owner will
> have different goals.
> As an example, an averaged sized secondary high school might allow
> for 100 hours for the modeling/reporting for the integrated design
> process from concept through design development to tender phase.
>
> We rarely provide a fee proposal for final LEED modelling until
> project has completed the tender phase. Too much can change from
> final design to final tender documents.
>
> We provide an estimate at the beginning of the project. The
> client is welcome to set a different contract for final LEED
> modelling.
>
> An averaged size secondary high school would take about 100s hour
> for final LEED modelling depending on how much has changed over
> the course of the design process.
>
>
> At 06:19 PM 11/05/2012, Fonner, Nicholas wrote:
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>> I would like to see an explanation on the approach for estimation
>> of effort and cost on the various phases throughout a typical
>> project. The effort for each stage is fairly easy to establish,
>> but it has been difficult to account for iterations within the
>> life of the project. It may be the case where energy modeling is
>> not given the same consideration as the design teams when large
>> changes require large rework effort. Does anyone have
>> information that could help establish a fee structure for
>> projects that start early and reoccur throughout the project
>> phases? The push for integrated building performance in the
>> future is forcing building performance simulation and energy
>> management to the center of design focus. The original response
>> from Nick, Bill, and Pasha is a great resource that hopefully
>> gets a lot of attention.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> *Nic Fonner
>> *Energy Modeling Group
>> *Henneman *Engineering, Inc. | energy. focused.
>> 1605 South State Street, Champaign, IL 61820
>> V 217.359.1514 | F 217.359.9354 | C
>> www.henneman.com <http://www.henneman.com/> |
>> _nfonner at henneman.com_ <mailto:nfonner at henneman.com>
>>
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