[Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models

[Paul Riemer]

If you have waterside systems it really becomes three steps:

1)      Run with all guesses to determine airside sizing

2)      Run with determined airside sizing and guessed waterside sizing

3)      Run with known airside and waterside sizing

Then the complications of the rotations and satisfying unmet hours criteria.
If you view modeling like a video game with level to achieve and get a good soundtrack, then you can be happily oblivious about how much time you are spending on it.

Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP BD+C
DUNHAM

From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:20 AM
To: Jim Dirkes; Jeremiah Crossett
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models

That is a good point Jim. To actually generate a baseline following either of the protocols, it is necessary to first do a sizing run. So the automation would need to be a two-step process.

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Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
Senior Research Scientist
ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE

Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
2032 Todd Street
Eugene, OR 97405
(541) 844-1960
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From: Jim Dirkes [mailto:jim at buildingperformanceteam.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:13 AM
To: Jeremiah Crossett; Rosenberg, Michael I
Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models

I think you need to define "automatically" carefully.
DesignBuilder does a fair amount of the work and Simergy intends to do something similar.
As an example, the proper ASHRAE 90.1 EER / COP is not known until you actually run the simulation and find out the capacity.  It seems to me that some of the criteria must be ascertained from a successful simulation before you can have a complete Baseline.
Another example that has been discussed in this forum  is calculating the proper fan and pump pressure rise to comply with 90.1

James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, LEED AP
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From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuildingorg] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Crossett
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:07 PM
To: Rosenberg, Michael I
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models

Bentley havacomp AECOSIM does for one..


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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Rosenberg, Michael I <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>> wrote:
I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G? Thanks.

__________________________

Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
Senior Research Scientist
ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE

Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
2032 Todd Street
Eugene, OR 97405
(541) 844-1960<tel:%28541%29%20844-1960>
michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>



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