[Bldg-sim] Building materials data import to Energy plus

[Anna Shadrina]

Hey Jeremiah,

thank you for your reply! Any feedback about the workflow is useful to me
since I do not find many people who are trying to make the import of
geometry+materials seamless between BIM and simulation software.

My inspiration for this research was our project course at the University
of Technology in Vienna where my colleague and I tried to save our time by
using the full potential of export-import process.We had more or less the
same geometry and materials but were testing it constantly to see how the
geometry changes overall energy performance of the building. We established
which parameters should be set for the seamless import of geometry, but I
find that the most annoying thing was to assign the constructions to the
surfaces over and over again.


On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <
jcrossett at phasechange.com> wrote:

>  Anna,
>
> Shearing my experience with GBXML and IFC:
>
> I have not used the latest open studio or Simergy GBXML imports, as they
> in general just do not seem to work as well for me as Design Builder
> or legacy open studio. However my usage of a UI is really to author an
> energy plus IDF, and most of the models I do is to demonstrate the use of
> our PCM and are done as quickly as possible.
>
> My experience with GBXML has been with Design Builder, I note that in v4
> Design Builder can also import materials.  For IFC there is the space
> boundary tool that I have attempted to use gaia.lbl.gov/interoperability/
> SBT.
>
> The main problem I have had with GBXML is that 3d cad models are not
> normally setup so that the user can just export their GBXML file. The cad
> designer typically are only drawing for export into 2d sheets, and as such
> have really messy 3d cad models that do not connect the walls to the
> ceilings or other problems.
>
> For the space boundary tool it does not seem to work on files that do not
> seem to have any real problems. I tried it out on a couple projects and got
> nice a looking 3d IFC model, but then the import to SBT failed. The error
> messages are unclear and the tutorial seems to assume that the user also has the
> Solbri model checker. There is an IDF that maps ArchiCAD and
> Revit materials to Energy Plus objects that comes with the
> space boundary tool that you may find useful.
>

which one do you mean? is it additional application or the "SBT Default
Materials Library" IDF?

>
> From my experience, asking an architect to export either file is risky as
> I may be asking them to do a lot of work only to provide a file that may
> not import, or may import but not run or it has
> lots of unnecessary surfaces.
>
> The best way I have found to make GBXML useful has been to have the cad
> user provide only the shell of the building with no internal walls.  (The
> materials import is not something I have tried, as Design Builder just
> recently added this feature.) The reason is that the model may
> have different zoning and other simplifications that are used to make a
> clean E+ model that is close enough to the project geometry and because I
> tend use my own materials database.
>

totally agree here. I think it is widespread in practice. For most of the
energy engineers it is easier to rebuild the model with their own zoning.
How do you map your own material database and the given materials from an
architect?

>
> I keep thinking of developing a python script that generates IDF objects
> from IFC, GBXML or 3D Cad file for only the external walls and roofs and
> floors, only internal floors and ceilings and only the external windows.
> Material properties could be useful, but the time needed to setup
> some materials and construction layers is null compared to the time it
> takes to get the windows drawn on for each elevation or for the geometry in
> general.
>

then you probably have seen this article
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jaabe/11/2/11_313/_article


>
> Please keep in mind that this is my experience and may not represent
> the experiences of other users.  Hope this is helpful, and best of luck
> with your project.
>
>
>
>
>
> *​​Jeremiah D. Crossett ** | Senior Analyst  **| **LEED Green Associate *
> *​​7411 SW Capitol Highway | Portland, OR 97219 ​​ |
> Mobile 503-688-8951www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com/> *
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Anna Shadrina <neko.enko at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I am writing my Master thesis about the interoperability between
>> ArchiCAD, Revit and Allplan on one side and Energy plus on the other side.
>>
>> My research is particularly focused on importing the correct materials
>> data into IDF. (Materials should contain roughness, thickness, thermal
>> conductivity, density, specific heat; be composed into constructions and
>> attached to the correct surfaces in the geometry.)
>>
>> I am collecting data on the following aspects:
>>
>> 1. *Is there a tool that imports IFC to Energy plus?*
>>
>> Simergy has announced that they are removing the import features because
>> of many bugs and Ecotect is not fully supported by Autodesk anymore. On the
>> official EP website it is stated that such tool does not exist.
>> http://energyplus.helpserve.com/knowledgebase/article/View/25/34/importing-ifc-geometry-into-energyplus
>>
>> 2. *Any experiences in the seamless import of the materials?*
>>
>> 3.
>> *Do you generally use the import/export, or do you normally redraw the
>> simplified geometry in Sketchup for your projects?*
>> My findings at the present moment are the following:
>>
>> *- *gbxML preserves the most of material parameters for Energy plus but
>> only Revit supports the advanced export to the gbXML. ArchiCAD works via
>> the Cadimage plugin (available only for the 17th version at the moment).
>> This plug-in does not preserve the material properties. And Allplan does
>> not export gbXML, only IFCs. All of the architectural software producers
>> seem to work more in the area of integrated energy analysis rather than on
>> improving their export.
>>
>> - two plug-ins for exporting gbXML to Energy plus were tested: Green
>> Building studio and Open studio for Sketchup. GBS assigns its own
>> constructions instead of mine (I am working on it) and OS imports
>> everything but does not assign the constructions to the surfaces.
>>
>> Please share your experiences, comments and opinions on this topic. Any
>> suggestions are welcomed.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>> --
>> Anna Shadrina
>>
>> MSc student Building Science
>> Vienna University of Technology
>> Vienna, Austria
>>
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Kind regards,
-- 
Anna Shadrina

MSc student Building Science
Vienna University of Technology
Vienna, Austria
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