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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] problems about vav simulation
The ASHRAE IWEC does not include a file for Hong Kong.
The closest location is Macau... which you can download
from the EnergyPlus weather page:
http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/cfm/weatherdata_int.cfm#MAC
"Rahul Chillar"
<chillarrahul@yah To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] problems about vav
08/01/2004 11:12 simulation
PM
Please respond to
EnergyPlus_Suppor
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hi try the following links, you might find Hongkong weather file there.
http://doe2.com/Download/Weather/
The ASHRAE weather data CD , its available on the link below.
http://www.ashrae.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/24037
ASHRAE. 2001. International Weather for Energy Calculations (IWEC Weather
Files)
Users Manual and CD-ROM, Atlanta: ASHRAE
"Xu H.T" <02900046r@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Mike,
Where to get to HongKong weather file? I didn't find it in
http://www.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/cfm/weatherdata_int.cfm
Xu
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael J. Witte
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] problems about vav simulation
My apologies for the delay in diagnosing the problem with this
simulation. The
short answer is that the system is undersized, this causes the supply
air
temperature to be above setpoint and the airflow to the zone increases
to the
maximum in a failed attempt to meet the zone load.
Why is the system undersized?
1) The system airflow has been sized to exactly meet the design day
load
(sizing factor = 1.0), but some of the days in the weather file are
more
extreme than the design day.
2) There is a bug in the chilled water coil sizing in version 1.2.0
which is
causing the coil water flow rate to be undersized by approximately 20%.
The
easiest solution is to raise the zone sizing factor to approximately
1.2. The
system should then operate as expected. (This bug has been fixed for
the next
release, CR6350.)
Mike
On 22 Jul 2004, at 9:05, Xu H.T wrote:
> Dear,
>
> I have check as the following two suggestion. However, the results
seem still
> unreasonable. For VAVsystems, it appears constant flowrate at fixed
supply
> temperature. Please help me to inspect this problem.
>
> The simulated system is very simple: mixed air flow through a
cooling coil and
> then suppied into room, using Hong Kong weather data file. I have
uploaded the
> folder: single room vav simulation
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Rgs,
> Xu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael J. Witte
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 2:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] one about vav system
>
>
> This behavior indicates the coil is not large enough.
Suggestions:
>
> 1. Make sure the OA flow rate and the supply air temperatures in
teh ZONE
> SIZING and SYSTEM SIZING objects are consistent with the
simulation OA flow
> and temperature setpoints.
>
> 2. Use COIL:Water:DetailedFlatCooling, do not use
COIL:Water:SimpleCooling.
>
> If this does not fix the problem, please upload the input file to
the files
> area in the Yahoo group or e-mail zipped idf to
energyplus-support@xxxxxxxx.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2004, at 16:24, Xu H.T wrote:
>
> > Like the following email.
> >
> > I do a simulation for VAV system. The design day is used for
sizing of
> zone, > system and plant. I set the supply air temperature to
19C. I find
> with the > design day simulation, the supply air temperature
isn't 19
> (20.5 actually) and > the air flowrate is constant. However,
for the run
> period simulation, the > supply air temperature is actually 19
and the
> supply air flowrate is also > constant. Why? Any suggestion for
this
> problem. Thanks. > > Xu > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From:
> zhaicq98 > To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent:
Thursday,
> June 24, 2004 8:51 AM > Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support]
questions about dx
> vav system > > > I have two questions here. > > First, I
am
> simulating a VAV system with no terminal reheat. I > specify
the supply
> air temperature to be 12.8oC in cooling season and > 35oC in
heating
> season. According to results I got, it works well in >
cooling season,
> trying to keep the indoor temperature under 23oC by > varing
the supply
> air flow rate. While in winter, it keeps heating > the space
to a high
> temperature. In heating season, the supply air > flow rate is
always at
> its maximum value. I can not understand why > the supply air
flow rate
> in heating season does not vary. > > Second question is about
the
> iteration. I am using a multispeed DX > coil. The program
terminates
> when simulating the system in May. There > is a fatal error
which says
> the iteration limit is exceeded when > calculating the speed
of the
> compressor. I have no idea how to > resolve the problem. > >
I have
> uploaded the file named BOX4_VAV.idf to the files area. > >
Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael J. Witte
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Glare index
>
>
> My guess is that the coordinates or facing angle of the
daylighting
> reference point in these zones is incorrect. Remember that
daylighting
> reference points are always relative to the zone origin, even
when World
> Coordinates have been specified. In the dxf drawing file, the
daylighting
> reference points are drawn as a small red circle to help you
verify the
> location. You may need to comment out all of the daylighting
objects and
> then add them back one by one to make sure each reference point
is within
> the appropriate zone. If you are unable to resolve this, please
submit your
> input file.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 8 Jul 2004, at 4:26, leeslwong wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've simulated the daylight performance of a residential block
which >
> includes a kitchen, a living room, 2 bedrooms and a master
bedroom. I >
> called out the annual glare index with hourly basis of each
rooms. > The
> results show that there is no glare (means '0') in the kitchen, a
> bedroom
> and a living room. What situations would have these results? >
But there are
> glare index in other two rooms. Those five room have a > window
facing with
> the same direction (east). As I know glare index > never reaches
'0'.
> Anybody can tell me what's happening and how to > solve it? > >
Thanks > >
> lee > > > > > The primary EnergyPlus web site is found at: >
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are not
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>
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Building Systems lab
Univ Of Illinois Urbana Champaign
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