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RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] About Meteonorm and EPW files



Daniel,
 
We can run some experiments if you like.  In Meteonorm there are two options for Temperature (1961-1990 or 1996-2005) and two for Solar Radiation (1981-1990 or 1981-2000).  Other options include selecting a different radiation model (Perez, Hay, Gueymard, or Skarveit/Osleth), Radiation model (Default-hour, Minute, Clear Sky Radiation),  Temperature model (Default-hour or 10-year extreme-hour).  You can also set the monthly values to the minimum, mean or maximum values.  
 
For the files that are posted on the E+ YahooGroup, we use:  Temperature (1996-2005), Solar Radiation (1981-2000), Radiation Model (Perez), Radiation model (default-hour), Temperature model (default-hour), and the monthly values are left to mean.
 
The EPWs from the US are generally TMY2 files with a period of record of 1961-1990.  There is work under way to use the last 15 years of data to create new US files but it has not started yet.  For the EPW files in Mexico, these are IWEC, which roughly have a period of record of 1982-1999--the only data available at the time.  ASHRAE is working on a project to create 2500+ new weather files using a period of record of 1982-2006.  That should be done later this year.
 
Contact me directly if you want me to create some variations on the Meteonorm files.
 
Dru

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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daniel Solís
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:14 AM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] About Meteonorm and EPW files



Hi E+

In the AAA_ReadMeFirst.txt says "Meteonorm extrapolates hourly data 
from statistical data for a location. Where statistical data aren't 
available, Meteonorm interpolates from other nearby sites".

In México, I found only 3 EPW files, so I downloaded those created by 
meteonorm, and then compared the .stat with the "normales 
meteorológicas", which are files that contain statistical data for 
many cities in the country (average, maximum and minimum temperatures 
averaged over 30 years and presented month by month; main cities also 
have relative humidity and other stuff). It seemed logical to me that 
metenorm uses the data available via the "normales" (since IT IS "the 
statistical data for a location") and so the average temperature 
should be the same in both files, but I found very important 
discrepancies.
For easy, I compare the 12 average temperatures and write the 
minimum and maximum (with their respective months).
Also, the coordinates didn't ever match, not even with the 3 EPW 
files, ¿why all files are related to stations that don't appear as 
belonging to the "national meteorological service"? I compared with 
the closest "normales", which still should have similar average 
temperatures.

For the Meteonorm Files:

CHIHUAHUA - Meteonorm
Location: {N 28° 42'} {W 105° 57'} 1360m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 10.4ºC December
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.3ºC June

CHIHUAHUA - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 28° 39'00''} {W 106° 05'00''} 1430m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 9.8ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 26.6ºC June

______

CUERNAVACA - Meteonorm
Location: {N 18° 54'} {W 99° 15'} 1560m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 21.2ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 26.9ºC May

CUERNAVACA - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 18° 40'36''} {W 99° 05'06''} 1300m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 18.6ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 23.5ºC May

______

MONTERREY - Meteonorm
Location: {N 25° 52'} {W 100° 11'} 512m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 14.4ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.2ºC July

MONTERREY - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 25° 40'57''} {W 100° 16'01''} 495m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 14.4ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.2ºC July and August
______

TORREÓN - Meteonorm
Location: {N 25° 31'} {W 103° 26'} 1124m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 15.1ºC December
Average Temperature - Maximum: 29.4ºC June

TORREÓN - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 25° 31'11''} {W 103° 24'57''} 1123m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 14.4ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 27.9ºC June

_ _ _ _ _ _ _

For the 3 EPW files:

ACAPULCO - EPW
Location: {N 16° 46'} {W 99° 45'} 5m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 26.2ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.4ºC July

ACAPULCO - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 16° 51'59''} {W 99° 54'20''} 20m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 26.8ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.7ºC July
_______

CIUDAD DE MÉXICO - EPW
Location: {N 19° 25'} {W 99° 4'} 2234m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 13.6ºC December
Average Temperature - Maximum: 19.1ºC May

CIUDAD DE MÉXICO (Del. Venustiano Carranza) - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 18° 40'36''} {W 99° 05'06''} 1300m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 15.0ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 21.1ºC May

_______

VERACRUZ - EPW
Location: {N 19° 12'} {W 96° 7'} 14m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 21.1ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 27.6ºC May

VERACRUZ (El Tejar) - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 19° 04'02''} {W 96° 09'30''} 10m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 20.9ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 28.2ºC May

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 

Also, I compare the "Normal Meteorológica" for Mexicali with EPW file 
for El Centro, California and "Normal Meteorológica" for Nuevo Laredo 
with EPW file for Laredo, Texas. The mexican cities and the american 
cities are separated only for a few km and usually in research are 
taken as if they had the same climate (so, using the american EPW 
files).

EL CENTRO, CALIFORNIA - EPW
Location: {N 32° 47'} {W 115° 35'} 9m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 11.6ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 35.2ºC July

MEXICALI - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 32° 39'54''} {W 115° 27'21''} 4m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 13.0ºC December
Average Temperature - Maximum: 33.9ºC July
_________

LAREDO, TEXAS - EPW
Location: {N 27° 31'} {W 99° 27'} 152m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 13.8ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 30.5ºC July

MEXICALI - "Normal Meteorológica"
Location: {N 27° 29'44''} {W 99° 29'25''} 128m above sea level
Average Temperature - Minimum: 12.1ºC January
Average Temperature - Maximum: 30.9ºC August

I think there are too high diferences in the average temperatures (I 
don't want to think about the extrem maximum and minimum). It doesn't 
make any sense to me that

1) Very close locations have very diferent climates (if it happens, 
everybody should be using locally (really locally) measured 
temperatures, or all their results are completely invalid, since 1ºC 
is too much for an AC or a confort measure).

2) Meteonorm isn't using the data available by the meteorological 
service of Mexico. What is it using if not???

I'm starting a research for various mexican cities (hot-dry) and I'm 
confused about if I can relativily trust in Meteonorm, EPW (in 
american counterpart cities) and/or 'Normales' files. 

Maybe (still, theoretically, should't change too much), Meteonorm and 
EPW are taking old 'normales' (for 1950-1980) and not the 'new' ones 
(1970-2000).

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL, IF I TAKE THE TEMPERATURES 
OF 'NORMALES METEOROLÓGICAS' FILES AND WITH THE HELP OF AN ALGORITHM 
AND A COMPUTER, CREATE HOURLY TEMPERATURES THAT MATCH AND THEN 
REPLACE THE VALUES IN METEONORM AND EPW FILES??? These new files 
would have all other data, so I don't have to create one, but 
could 'correct' temperatures to have a more precise file (having 
faith that the national metereological service works as it should and 
their data is the most locally exact).

Atte.

Daniel Solís



 


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