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[EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Fan Electric Power



Dear Ana,

Communicating only in text makes things more difficult!  I'll try again (still using US units of measure)!

Using this example:
                                          FAN:SIMPLE:VARIABLEVOLUME,
Fan Name                      RFan_AH1,
Available Schedule   SchCpct_FanOpern,
Fan Total Efficiency    0.485,
Delta Pressure               995,  (4" w.c.)
Max Flow Rate              13.1372, (27,836 CFM)
Min Flow Rate    0,
Motor Efficiency    .91,
Motor In Airstream Fraction    1,
FanCoefficient 1    .0013,
FanCoefficient 2    .147,
FanCoefficient 3    .9506,
FanCoefficient 4    -.0998,
FanCoefficient 5    0,
Fan_Inlet_Node    NodeOut_EA_AH1,
Fan_Outlet_Node    NodeOut_EFan_AH1;
End-Use Subcategory   

Notes:
For this fan, I expect power to be:

Brake HP = CFM * DeltaP / TotalEff'y / 6,356

W                = CFM * DeltaP / TotalEff'y / 6,356 * 746

                    = 27,836 * 4 / .485 / 6,356 * 746

                    = 26,945

When I run this fan object in an E+ model, the .csv file reports 26,761W at the time when Flow Rate = Max Flow Rate.  That's pretty close agreement!

I hope this helps.

p.s., I applaud your error checking efforts.  With hundreds or thousands of inputs, it is very important to make sure the output makes sense!


--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "anarui.oliveira" <anarui.oliveira@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, could you add some legends to make sure I'm looking at the
> right variables?....
> If I understood, those calculations correspond to an independent
> estimate of electric power consumption of the fans?
>
> In the cases when I detected large differences between E+ and
> supplier data, the supplier data indicated straightforward electric
> power consumption of the fans... and delta-Pressure and nominal
> airflow. I used that dP and airflow (which does not vary
> significantly beacuse I was using CAV models) to feed to E+ and
> obtain its electric power estimate... I had also high values of
> (total) efficiency (above 0.7), but even trying to reduce those in E+
> did not increase the power estimate to values anywhere near the
> supplier data...
>
> I guess the supplier data may sometimes include the effect of the
> selected fans not working at nominal conditions for the intended
> aiflows, but still... differences of twice over?...
>
> Anyway, thanks for everything,
> Ana.
>
> --- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "JV Dirkes II"
> jvd2pe@ wrote:
> >
> > Dear Ana,
> >
> > I get excellent agreement for fan power when using (US
> measurements):
> >
> > BHP = CFM x Î"P
> > η x 6,355
> >
> > = f3 x in. w.c. x 62.316 lb x min-HP
> > min η ft2 x 12 in. w.c. 33,000
> > ft-lb
> >
> > = CFM x Î"P
> > η x 6,355
> >
> > It is important to know the mechanical efficiency of the fan "η"
> > from a fan chart, or to derive it from known Brake HP.
> >
> > Also, you must make sure that the E+ report reflects the correct
> flow. A
> > relief fan, for example, may never operate at the rated airflow and
> the
> > .eio report only shows Watts for the modeled airflow. The .ssz will
> > show the design airflow.
> > If you are using a sizing factor greater than 1.0, don't forget to
> use
> > the rated airflow x sizing factor as your basis for power
> calculations.
> >
> > --- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "anarui.oliveira"
> > <anarui.oliveira@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, me again.
> > >
> > > Has anyone tried to compare the E+ estimates of Fan Electric Power
> > with
> > > rated electric consumptions for these equipments?
> > > I've been trying to "calibrate" these values, but I keep getting
> E+
> > > plus estimates much lower than supplier data (like 2 to 10 times
> > > smaller values, for E+ estimate of Fan electric power).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ana Rui.
> > >
> >
>
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