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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Summer/Winter Design Days for system autosize

That should have worked.

As a work around for now, add some design day, probably from a milder climate.

Two of the example files use the new RunPeriod objects but they may also have design days in them.

Thanks for noticing this.

(Sizing calculations use all possible "design" periods for their input.)

Linda

At 06:52 AM 8/4/2008, Sherif Ezzeldin wrote:

Edwin,

 

Thank you very much for your support

Actually, I created those two RunPeriod:Design objects and specified Design Day within both the Zone Sizing and Sytem Sizing.
I run a simulation but I have got a severe error:
 
** Severe  ** Zone Sizing calculations need Design Day input
**  Fatal  ** Errors found in getting ZONE SIZING input
 
as I used 'RunPeriod:Design' instead of 'DesignDay'
Kind regards,
Sherif


----- Original Message ----
From: Edwin Lee <leeed2001@xxxxxxxxx>
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 1:34:53 PM
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Summer/Winter Design Days for system autosize

Sherif:

I took a quick look at the zone sizing calculations, and at first glance, it appears that these design run periods are treated the same as design days.  The zone sizing module contains loops that loop across all 'regular design days' and all 'run period design days'.  If using the 'design day' key doesn't seem to size the zone/equipment properly, or if it gives any errors, I will investigate further.

Thanks,
Edwin

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Sherif Ezzeldin <shezzeldin@yahoo. com> wrote:

Edwin,
 
I read the I/O reference concerning RunPeriod:Design
I tried to work with it; I created 2 objects (one for the Summer Cooling Period and another for the Winter Heating Period)
There is no option within the Zone/Sytem Sizing to add those design periods (just I have to select either Design Day or Flow Zone/System)
Could you please advice how I can specify those periods to be used instead of Design Days?
Kind regards,
Sherif

----- Original Message ----
From: Edwin Lee <leeed2001@gmail. com>
To: EnergyPlus_Support@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:06:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_ Support] Summer/Winter Design Days for system autosize

Sherif:

If you are looking to create DesignDay objects for your input file directly from the weather file, V2.2 has a new feature.  The RunPeriod:Design object allows you to run any number of days from your weather file as 'design days'.  Thus you could run a full week of summer weather as the design days to size equipment.  This means you don't have to generate the ddy objects directly.  More information can be found in the InputOutputReferenc e document, at about pdf page 76.

If you are wanting further analysis of the weather and design day data, then this probably won't help much!

Edwin

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Linda Lawrie <linda@lawrie. com> wrote:

Look at the .stat data from when you generated the weather file (Meteonorm 6 can generate EPW directly).  Or run the WeatherConverter program on your EPW file now. 

There is a section that should say:
 - Using Design Conditions calculated from this weather file.

 -  The following design temperature statistics are calculated based on THIS weather file ONLY
 -  and may not be representative of a long-term  period of record normally used for
 -  design temperatures. Also, note that dew point temperatures are listed where
 -  wet-bulb temperatures are normally presented.

        Design Stat     Coldest Month   HDB 99.6%       HDB 99%
            Units            {}             {C}            {C} 
          Heating        1        4.9     5.9

        Design Stat     Hottest Month   CDB .4% CDB 1%  CDB 2%  CDP .4% CDP 1%  CDP 2%
            Units            {}            {C}     {C}     {C}     {C}     {C}     {C}
          Cooling        8       49.1    48.1    47.1    29.8    27.4    26.5

        Design Stat     Jan      Feb      Mar      Apr      May      Jun      Jul      Aug      Sep      Oct      Nov      Dec
            Units        {m/s}    {m/s}    {m/s}   {m/s}    {m/s}    {m/s}   {m/s}    {m/s}    {m/s}   {m/s}    {m/s}   {m/s}
        Max WS   13.0    13.0    15.0    12.0    12.0    12.0    13.0    12.0    11.0    12.0    13.0    11.0

Alternatively, if Meteonorm did not know the WMO for your station and there is one, there might be a ASHRAE design condition.  You can put the WMO in the proper place and then use the WeatherConverter again to slurp up the design day information in IDF form.  (Using the above from your file, you will have to define your own design days).

Linda

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