Dear Vinay,
You are correct about the Fan Efficiency field. It is actually a combination of the motor and fan mechanical efficiency (in E+).
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James V. Dirkes II, P.E., BEMP , LEED AP
1631 Acacia Drive NW
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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vinay Devanathan
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:43 AM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: how can I change the HOT WATER PLANT HW SUPPLY PUMP power in a HVAC Template
I think the Fan Efficiency field is Fan Total Efficiency, which is obtained by Fan Mech Ef. x Motor Eff.
Hope that's right. Someone can confirm!
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Jean marais <jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Are you saying that for air fans, the field Motor Efficiency = motor eff. x fan mech eff. AND Fan Efficiency = fan mech eff. ?
This will explain why my powers are still off by a little bit.
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jim Dirkes" <jim@...> wrote:
>
> Well……
>
> In order to calculate pump power, you must know flow, head, motor efficiency
> AND pump (mechanical) efficiency. Since there is no input field for pump
> efficiency in E+, I looked into this a while back and the documentation
> indicated that the pump efficiency was a constant 78%. Since you are
> indicating otherwise, I checked again and see that things appear to have
> changed!
>
> So, is it the case that pumps now follow the E+ fan convention and use a
> combined (motor efficiency * pump mechanical efficiency) as the "Motor"
> efficiency input field?
>
> p.s., I always thought that this was confusing, since it's not a normal
> engineering convention and the field label clearly says "Motor efficiency".
> It's workable, just confusing J.
>
>
>
> The Building Performance Team
> James V. Dirkes II, P.E., BEMP , LEED AP
> 1631 Acacia Drive NW
> Grand Rapids, MI 49504
> 616 450 8653
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> From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Raustad
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 8:56 AM
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] how can I change the HOT WATER PLANT HW
> SUPPLY PUMP power in a HVAC Template System VAV
>
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>
> The pump efficiency is not actually used in the calculation but it is
> calculated internally to provide warnings for the user. The Engineering
> Reference shows the pertinent calculations for the pump (search for
> "Variable Speed Pump" or "Constant Speed Pump").
>
> The calculation for pump efficiency is:
>
> TotalEffic = PumpEquip(PumpNum)%NomVolFlowRate *
> PumpEquip(PumpNum)%NomPumpHead / PumpEquip(PumpNum)%NomPowerUse
>
> PumpEquip(PumpNum)%PumpEffic = TotalEffic / PumpEquip(PumpNum)%MotorEffic
>
>
> On 6/15/2011 7:31 PM, Jim Dirkes wrote:
>
>
>
> .. and E+ always assumes pump efficiency to be a constant value (78% I
> think.)
>
>
>
> The Building Performance Team
> James V. Dirkes II, P.E., BEMP , LEED AP
> 1631 Acacia Drive NW
> Grand Rapids, MI 49504
> 616 450 8653
>
>
>
> From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jason Kirkpatrick
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] how can I change the HOT WATER PLANT HW
> SUPPLY PUMP power in a HVAC Template System VAV
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose,
>
> You can modify the pump power by changing the pump rated head in the
> HVACTemplate:Plant objects that you need to include to create the chilled
> water, hot water, and condenser water loops.
>
> Pump Electric Power = Pump Volume Flow Rate x Pump Head / Total Pump
> Efficiency
>
> Refer to the EngineeringReference.pdf documentation that came with your
> install of energyplus for more detail.
>
> Alternatively, once you have an expanded input data file that works, you
> could directly input the rated power consumption into the pump object and
> autosize the pump head.
>
> In order to accomplish this you will need to rename the file that end with
> .expidf to a file with name .idf and then you can edit and run the expanded
> idf like any other input file.
>
> Hope this is of help.
>
> Jason
>
> 2011/6/14 José Ernesto Castillo Peralta <joercape@...>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> how can I change the power of the HOT WATER PLANT HW SUPPLY PUMP, CHILLED
> WATER PLANT CHW SUPPLY PUMP and CHILLED WATER PLANT CNDW SUPPLY PUMP in a
> HVAC Template System VAV
>
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