Sorry, I cannot help you. Someone else may be able to.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: rockcolomiers@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:55:24 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Help a student for an HVAC modelling on E+
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Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: rockcolomiers@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:55:24 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Help a student for an HVAC modelling on E+
Thanky you very much Dr.Li
I don't think modelling the HVAC because it's too complicated for me.
I think using the Template in E+, with gaz heating and the CoP of the water (or directly of my HVAC system if I find the value).
Simulation with the same set points than the building, and compare the value of Temperature and spending energy. And after that adjust the model in E+. I don't need a perfect model, but I expect to have the same order of Temperature and, of course, energy consumption.
Best,
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, YuanLu Li <yli006@...> wrote:
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I don't think modelling the HVAC because it's too complicated for me.
I think using the Template in E+, with gaz heating and the CoP of the water (or directly of my HVAC system if I find the value).
Simulation with the same set points than the building, and compare the value of Temperature and spending energy. And after that adjust the model in E+. I don't need a perfect model, but I expect to have the same order of Temperature and, of course, energy consumption.
Best,
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, YuanLu Li <yli006@...> wrote:
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> You should discribe your system design first, before you select or ask the template question. If you do not turn on the HTML or rich text mode in the mail option, you cannot see the colour, and I have to use the plain text mode to reply. The EPlus equivalent to your diagram is a fout pipe fan coil. To use the templates, you will need the zone and building information as well.
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> Dr. Li
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> From: rockcolomiers@...
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:41:54 +0000
> Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Help a student for an HVAC modelling on E+
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> > Dr. Li To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > From: rockcolomiers@
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> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:45:35 +0000
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> > It's only one part of the system, the other is the hot/cold water supplying by an another company.
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> > What is TF001 and FF001 ? Fans in charge to propel air ? These are location or equipment names. When different parts of the installation are displayed, these will change.
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> > So VS100 is to heating air (in the lower path), but why put after that the KB101 (air cooling system). A monitoring display shows all the components in the installation in that section.
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> > Does the rotative heat exchanger work only with air and not with hot/cold water ? This is just a way to show on the display. The real equipment may not be rotating. The rotating color arrow show that the cold air goes up and hot air comes down.
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> > I'm sorry for my dumb questions, but I'm in Sweden, don't speak swedish so it's hard to understand this system. The picture and the system and the temperature are still universal.
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> > Another thing, more you have flow (m^3/s), less is the pression, isn't it ? Depends. In a pipe with changing diameter, your statement is correct. With a pump or fan, more pressure is need to force the mass flow rate through the duct or pipe.
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> > > I think, your diagram is a 100% OA system with pre-heat. The zone and plants are not shown. The plant connections to the coils and the flow rate are shown. I do not know the language, but deduced the operation by looking at the colour, arrows, and the temperature values. The lower path is the OA inlet, pre-heat exchanger, fan, coils, to outlet to the zones The upper path is the turn air path. I am assuming that it is an air loop. The environment is at 14.7°C. Pre-heat raised this to 19.5°C and then to 20.3°C by the heating coil. The return air is at 22.0°C, and is reduced to 18.1°C after the heat exchanger. There are other values for relative humidity, pressures, etc. Some may be range limits.Blue is cold, and red is warmer. The system is in the heating mode. The diagram looks like a commonly used computer controlled system display screen. The use of this type of diagram is to centralize the monitoring of the plants for a large installation. There may be other diagrams for different part of the system. Those running EPlus should have a few of these diagrams so that the system node values can be filled in readily for system debugging purposes. The diagram posted, I think, is only part of the installation.
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The group web site is:
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